• I’ve about had it with Firefox

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    I am considering ditching Firefox. Not Firefox’s fault, but more and more websites don’t work with it. I can understand Google Photos not liking a non-chromium browser, but lots of others don’t work either. Bummer. Anybody have any suggestions or comments?

    Which chromium browser would you recommend? I’d rather stay away from Chrome because it’s bloated (I hear) and Google listens in too much.

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    • #2442405

      What’s actually happening?  What kind of messages are you getting on the browser screen?  Latest versions of FF will throw a warning up if you reach a site that does not have ‘https’ protocol. In which case, you simply click on the button that says continue.  Is that what you’re referring to?

      "War is the remedy our enemies have chosen. And I say let us give them all they want" ----- William T. Sherman

    • #2442412

      I’m not sure if this is significant but since I installed Firefox 99 on my Win 7 computer, the lights start flashing on my DSL modem/router as soon as I start the Firefox browser. They flash for about three minutes then stop.  Phoning home?  I haven’t installed 99 on my Linux computer yet.

      Being 20 something in the 70's was so much better than being 70 something in the insane 20's
      • #2442434

        The lights on your router should flash most of the time. There is plenty of network activity without running a browser.

        cheers, Paul

    • #2442402

      “more and more websites don’t work with it. … lots of others don’t work either.”

      Care to list a dozen or so for others to test?

    • #2442424

      I’ve been getting sick of the long startup times for Firefox. Up to 30 seconds before a screen appears. I notice that when I disable my Internet connection, the startup time is 4 – 6 times faster. So it appears there is a lot of hidden communication if FF detects an Internet connection. Problem is … a browser is useless without an Internet connection.

      I use the Vivaldi browser, based on Chromium but a lot more privacy, with the Duck Duck Go search add-on. I haven’t seen a problem site yet, including banks, shopping sites and supermarkets. Even secure government sites are OK with 2FA turned on. And it loads 5 times faster than FF. I like its features and customization ability.

      Another benefit of Vivaldi is they give you throwaway email addresses (@vivaldi.net) which I use for shopping sites that “must” have an email address.

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      • #2442433

        There’s a thread I started describing this very problem  if you haven’t seen.https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/firefox-slow-at-start/

        I share your grief.

      • #2442492

        It’s not normal for Firefox to take that long to start.

        I just rebooted (to make sure Firefox and its libraries were not cached) and timed it using the seconds display on my system clock, and from touchpad press to it being fully loaded and ready was between 2 and 3 seconds. That’s with 36 extensions active, and with Firefox starting a new session. Loading an existing session (or any pinned tabs) would take longer, while having fewer extensions should make it load a bit quicker.

        This is on my Dell XPS 13, a pretty quick machine with a NVMe SSD, but Firefox has never struck me as being slow-loading on my other machines. If it took 30 seconds, that would have been painfully long for me too.

        Vivaldi is the best of the bunch as far as Chromium browsers go, IMO. I just tested it as well, using Vivaldi 5.2… it was the same as Firefox, between 2 and 3 seconds. My Vivaldi setup has only 15 extensions active at the moment. I am sure I would add to the total if I used it as much as I use Firefox.

        This is on Kubuntu 22.04, but there’s no special reason it should be any different in Windows of which I am aware.

        If you like Vivaldi, that’s great! You have a tool that works for you. But if it is just because Firefox takes too long to start, that should be fixable.

        When troubleshooting any browser, the first place to start is creating a new profile (set it as default, then shut down and try it). If it is good with that profile, you can use the process of elimination to find the source of the long startup time.

        Dell XPS 13/9310, i5-1135G7/16GB, KDE Neon 6.2
        XPG Xenia 15, i7-9750H/32GB & GTX1660ti, Kubuntu 24.04
        Acer Swift Go 14, i5-1335U/16GB, Kubuntu 24.04 (and Win 11)

        • #2442627

          Hi Ascaris,

          Been there, done that. My FF starts from boot on a blank page in 35+ seconds, with a clean profile and NO extensions

    • #2442449

      am considering ditching Firefox. Not Firefox’s fault, but more and more websites don’t work with it. I can understand Google Photos not liking a non-chromium browser,

      Google photos any any Internet sites work just fine with FF.

    • #2442451

      https://goisn.net/austinsuperinspector/my-inspection/agreement/ returns the message, “Uh oh! There was a problem loading this page. The most likely reason is an outdated browser and/or operating system.”

      The site doesn’t open with Chrome 101 too. Getting the UH OH.
      It is not a FF problem.
      Blank page Edge due to blocked JavaScript.

    • #2442497

      If you’re having a problem loading a site correctly, you might try this:

      You can remove all data stored in Firefox from a specific domain via “Forget About This Site” in the right-click context menu of an history entry (“History > Show All History”

      You’ll get a warning that all cookies, settings will be deleted, do that and for me, anyway, the problem sites load fine.

    • #2442529

      Try checking your Privacy & Settings settings in Firefox by;

      • Clicking the gear in the upper right corner of the home page, then
      • Manage more settings, then
      • Privacy & Security, then
      • Scroll down to the bottom of the page and check your HTTPS-Only Mode.

      Is it set for “Don’t enable HTTPS-Only Mode” ?

       

    • #2442637

      Seems odd.  I use FF on two different Win 10 PCs, also on my iPhone and two different iPads.  It seems to work just fine on each of them.  Perhaps its worth trying to uninstall FF completely, and then install it with NO add-ons.  See how it performs, and then add back your favorite extensions, one at a time.  I use about ten extensions.

    • #2442644

      What kind of system is it? Is it using a hard drive?

      I’ve never seen it that slow even on my Asus F8 (Core 2 Duo/HDD) setup. Intriguing… I wish I had a PC that was doing it that I could mess with.

      Dell XPS 13/9310, i5-1135G7/16GB, KDE Neon 6.2
      XPG Xenia 15, i7-9750H/32GB & GTX1660ti, Kubuntu 24.04
      Acer Swift Go 14, i5-1335U/16GB, Kubuntu 24.04 (and Win 11)

    • #2442645

      I just tried FF and launched it, in my Mac with an Intel I-7 quad core CPU, 2.5 GHz (more details below), and FF launched and was ready to go in 5 seconds.

      Considering the pretty much same results reported by all of those of us that have timed FF in our computers, could this be one of those problems that happens to just one person, because there is something in this person’s computer than nobody else has in theirs?

      Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

      MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
      Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
      macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV

      • #2442665

        It’s more widespread than you think.

        And that’s what I’m trying to solve, what is it with my system that’s different from everybody else??

        • #2442910

          I would like to know that too. In Linux, I would try starting Firefox from the command line so that I could get the diagnostic messages in the terminal window… would this be of any use in Windows? Or maybe something listed in event viewer?

          Dell XPS 13/9310, i5-1135G7/16GB, KDE Neon 6.2
          XPG Xenia 15, i7-9750H/32GB & GTX1660ti, Kubuntu 24.04
          Acer Swift Go 14, i5-1335U/16GB, Kubuntu 24.04 (and Win 11)

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    • #2442689

      6 seconds to a blank startup page on my year old i5 with SSD.

      cheers, Paul

    • #2442701

      It is not a FF problem. Blank page Edge due to blocked JavaScript.

      That site is a pile of crock.  I see this there on Edge:

      “There was a problem loading this page. The most likely reason is an out dated browser and/or operating system.”

      Edge just updated when I opened it:

      Version 101.0.1210.32 (Official build) (64-bit)

      My operating system is:

      Windows 10 Pro

      21H2

      19044.1645

       

      • #2442702

        (That’s only a partial URL; there was a long code after it.)

      • #2442814

        Mele20: “There was a problem loading this page. The most likely reason is an out dated browser and/or operating system.”

        That message is a stock one that comes up, in my experience at least, regardless of the browser one is using, when something goes wrong with this browser making a connection to some Web site. Sort of an Invariably Given Answer to a Frequently Asked Question and, most likely, nothing more than that.

        Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

        MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
        Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
        macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV

    • #2442723

      Maybe 7 years ago because I was having so many problems with Firefox I stopped using it as a primary browser. Its add-ons stopped working reliably. I eventually settled on the Brave browser. Every browser has tradeoffs. And I have a whole slew of software things I do to tune a computer’s internet connection so it’s secure, which include O&O Shutup, a VPN, a stand-alone firewall appliance between a computer and its ISP. And every company changes over time (Symantec and Norton come to mind), so I recently dropped Duck Duck Go in favor of Presearch.

      Human, who sports only naturally-occurring DNA ~ oneironaut ~ broadcaster

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    • #2443008

      I use ff on two windows pc’s and it works perfectly for all sites other than the bogus one that’s not loading for anyone.  Maybe OP should try a new profile.  I use privacy badger and a few addons and everything loads perfectly.  Mozilla foundation might be terrible but the browser itself is still the best.  Brave is my second choice.

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    • #2443014

      @bmeacham (and others)-

      I’m running FF99.0.1 with no privacy-enhancing add-ons or extensions installed, and with its privacy settings set to Custom for the Enhanced Privacy Protection, and without touching a thing, Nextdoor.com loads only a blank page. BUT, when I change the Block list level from 2 (Block ALL detected trackers) to level 1 (Allow some trackers so websites don’t “break” as often) Nextdoor.com then loads just as it should.

      Both Google Photos and Google Messages loaded their initial pages just fine, and the only thing that FF’s tracking protection blocked was a third party cookie from YouTube. This behavior is with the Block list set to level 2 (block all detected trackers).

      This experience leads me to believe that you need to relax your privacy settings a bit for these sites you want to visit, rather than dump FF altogether.

      The reason for changes such as you’ve described is fairly simple: Web sites often add tracking capabilities to help them either increase revenue or to help them understand how folks use their site by knowing where folks come to their site from or where they go once folks leave their site, as well as what pages folks visit while still on their site.  This involves the use of various tracking services that can be on a list of places to block for privacy reasons that privacy-enhancing routines use to one extent or another.

      Oh, and I just found an ad on FF’s New Tab page. Grrrrr…

      Understandable but, again, this goes to tweaking your settings within Firefox. Go to the Settings area and select the “Home” option on the left side of the screen. Now, under “New Windows and Tabs”, you can select wither the FF new tab page or a blank page to appear every time you open a new tab. Under these settings, there are a few boxes you can check or uncheck for the content you want to see on FF’s new tab page. I’ve got all of these boxes clear/blank/unchecked and I’ve never seen any kind of ad when I open a new tab. The only ting I’ve ever seen in a newly opened tab is right after I’ve updated FF, my normal home page (about:blank) is in one tab and another tab automatically opens that says “Congratulations, you’re using the latest edition of Firefox”, or something similar, which I close immediately.

      For those who’ve mentioned or complained in this forum about having FF be really slow in starting up, PLEASE do so over in the forum started by @Matador that is mentioned rather nicely above in post 2442433, which will help avoid cross-posting/duplicate posts.

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    • #2443268

      FF is the best browser. I still use the old 59ESR version to be able to use flash player. Need to change the clock back to ge flash to works since stupid Adobe hard code end date into it. It works fine. Not sure what problems you are having with it. May be check what addons you have on by using safe mode.

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