It’s time to be thinking about saving a copy of Win10 v2004

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It’s time to think about socking away a copy of the v2004 ISO for a rainy day. Once version 20H2 is released, the ISO for Win10 v2004 will no longer b
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In the event you want to install v2004 instead in the future, you should download the ISO soon and store it in a safe place.

There is always Heidoc.net to the rescue

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Considering upgrading from Windows 7 Pro to Windows 10.  I saved a copy of 1909 from heidoc but still have not upgraded since I have to figure out how to make a disk image of the computer before starting the upgrade.

Now that 2004 is out should I just use the Media Creation tool to upgrade?

Will this tool save a copy of Windows 7 so I can go back if it does not work?

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First thing, make the full disk image and a separate file backup of your data. Without that you risk losing everything.

v2004 still has problems. It would be better to install v1909. You will need to download the ISO from Heidoc.net.

The upgrade will allow rollback to the previous version (Win7) for a maximum 10 days only. The caveat is, sometimes it doesn’t work right. That is why you need the full disk image and the data backup.

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Thanks.

Suggestion for best software to learn and use for Disk Image?

Also – best place to get a Portable Hard Drive? Hard Drive (SSD) is 250GB

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There is are two ongoing discussions here and here about the best backup software – read through those. Macrium Reflect and EaseUS Todo both have a free version. You can also look in the Tools Forum.

You can get an external USB HDD and any computer store. You will probably need 1-2TB for your backups.

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What is Heidoc.net?

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Alex5723 wrote:

In the event you want to install v2004 instead in the future, you should download the ISO soon and store it in a safe place.

There is always Heidoc.net to the rescue

Does heidoc.net offer the most recent image build with integrated fixes or the initial RTM?

Windows - commercial by definition and now function...

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No, just the normal releases you would have got via the MS download tool.  But with the cumulative update model, it’s not a big deal to get current.  And yes, heidoc.net is a wonderful resource!!!

I can’t believe we’re talking about yet another W10 release version while the newest version is just now starting to be stable enough to think about…

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I can’t believe we’re talking about yet another W10 release version while the newest version is just now starting to be stable enough to think about…

Lowering the release cadence would be nice. Otherwise this circus does not seem to have a happy ending.

Backup, backup, backup. Apart from complete system image, I like to keep my personal data (music, videos, contracts, documents, game saves, ..) on a separate external drive with FAT32 filesystem. It makes my backup available across all operating systems no matter their version is..

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1. I’ll be upgrading as soon as it becomes available.

2. I have multiple offline drive images of my current Windows 10 Pro 2004 as well as all six of my SSD’s.  I won’t be needing installation media.

Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!

We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems; we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.

We were all once "Average Users".

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> I won’t be needing installation media.

Wow, ok, assume you know best, but…
given all you know about Windows systems, seems hard to believe you’ve never been asked to help a friend or family member or colleague with a misbehaving Windows box.

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anonymous wrote:

> I won’t be needing installation media. Wow, ok, assume you know best, but… given all you know about Windows systems, seems hard to believe you’ve never been asked to help a friend or family member or colleague with a misbehaving Windows box.

Many, many times, but I don’t need installation media to accomplish that sort of help.  I have other tools on a USB thumb drive (including Windows Recovery Environment) that can get the job done.

Which is not to say that I don’t already have 2004 Pro installation media.  Every upgrade I’ve done has been with a MCT USB thumb drive, not through Windows Update.  As soon as the MCT for the next version of 2004 is made available, I’ll be re-using that same thumb drive to download the new version and running an in-place upgrade with it.

I don’t need to save the older version installation media, because I have multiple copies of the fully updated installation itself that can be restored faster than a clean install can be performed.  It’s all part of being prepared, belt and suspenders plus an extra belt.

Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!

We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems; we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.

We were all once "Average Users".

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Just downloaded 2004 to a USB. Info from current download:

Deployment Image Servicing and Management tool
Version: 10.0.18362.900

Details for image : F:\sources\install.esd

Index : 1
Name : Windows 10 Home
Description : Windows 10 Home
Size : 14,321,196,908 bytes
WIM Bootable : No
Architecture : x64
Hal : <undefined>
Version : 10.0.19041
ServicePack Build : 450
ServicePack Level : 0
Edition : Core
Installation : Client
ProductType : WinNT
ProductSuite : Terminal Server
System Root : WINDOWS
Directories : 21738
Files : 91328
Created : 8/8/2020 – 1:30:35 AM
Modified : 9/9/2020 – 2:06:02 PM
Languages :
en-US (Default)

The operation completed successfully.

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FYI, the Media Creation Tool 2004.exe is reported to be offering to download ISO or create USB Media for Windows 10 version 2004 build 19041.450 (Build release on 11 August 2020).

Re : https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/9230-download-windows-10-iso-file.html

Cheers.

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Yup, that’s what I showed on my MCT created USB, 19041.450

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FYI,

You can find the Windows version, build and edition from the installation media (i.e. ISO file after downloading the ISO or the USB Media created via the Media Creation Tool 2004.exe ) by using the DISM tool.

Re : https://www.winhelponline.com/blog/iso-find-windows-build-version-edition-using-dism/

https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/nows-a-good-time-to-squirrel-away-a-copy-of-win10-version-1909/#post-2262368

Cheers.

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Yup, that’s what I used in my post #2295233.

 

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So probably a newbie question, but does the installation media get updated over time? Or would what I’d download today be the same as the one I downloaded months ago shortly after release?

Also, considering Win 10 updates seem mostly cumulative would there be any advantage to a newer install media?

 

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There is usually an ISO produced shortly after a version is released.
Then it is updated at various times during the version’s life.
There is usually an ISO created at a stable point close to the time the next version is released.
The advantage to a later ISO version is that problems of past versions have been corrected.

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In the case of Windows 2004 though, I haven’t seen a fix yet for the bug that destroys the ReFS parity drives so for the few that use those, it wouldn’t be a great ISO to keep.

Is Microsoft just satisfied with telling people whose drives were maybe not corrupted yet to just put them in read only and hope that by not talking about it anymore, the problem will just disappear, with the “if nobody talks about, it it doesn’t exist”, logic?

And to add an answer to the original question, maybe having a newer ISO would prevent some terrible bugs like the ones that destroyed data in the original 1809 release to hit you before it gets patched with a cumulative update. If you install a bad version that kills your data, even if you add the cumulative update right after, it might be too late. That is why I always run older versions and I save the newer ISOs at the end of the availability period.

PKCano, do you know if when you do an in place feature update without media using Windows update, if you get the equivalent of the newer ISO and might not need a cumulative update or if you get the older ISO and then the cumulative update ? I suppose it would be dangerous to have the latter.

 

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AlexEiffel wrote:

PKCano, do you know if when you do an in place feature update without media using Windows update, if you get the equivalent of the newer ISO and might not need a cumulative update or if you get the older ISO and then the cumulative update ? I suppose it would be dangerous to have the latter.

I think in the case of in-place through Windows Update you get the latest Build and do not need updating.
With the MCT you get the latest ISO MS has made, which may not be the latest Build.
I am not quoting a known source – just my experience.

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Any idea on the release date??

Just because you don't know where you are going doesn't mean any road will get you there.

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Whenever Microsoft deems it’s ready?

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release date of what, wavy?
be specific

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2004 of windows

Just because you don't know where you are going doesn't mean any road will get you there.

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On the strength of this article.

I’ve installed 2004 on my final pc. Currently, OK, ALL GOOD !
W10 64 Pro 2004, W10 64 Home 2004, W10 32 Home 2004.
The W10 32 Home 2004, is my ‘try-out’ pc. Slowest thing I’ve ever used.
Might try any new W10 OS Build on this pc, after the 1st month’s updates.
Shuffle the other 2 through the OS life-span.
Not a great ‘imager’, etc.

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I’m glad your 2004 upgrade went well.

But that’s NOT what I recommend. Nor is it what I’ve done with my 1909 production machines.

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Ok saved my copy but saw something new, my old version of the MediaCreationTool upon running said I needed a newer version of it, which I d/led and made my copy.

Just because you don't know where you are going doesn't mean any road will get you there.

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Thanks for the reminder @PKCano!

I had created my offline media (ISO files) back in June, but I’ve just re-done the process today (initially assuming that the download would be from the Aug status).  When I looked through this whole thread while the download was in progress, I found that my latter assumption has been confirmed by @CADesertRat above in post #2295233.

However, I’ve kept the June ISO … just in case

Thanks.

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I wished now I had kept 1909 because in my opinion 2004 is still problematic to some degree.

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you can still grab a copy of the 1909 ISO using Heidoc’s Windows ISO Downloader tool, John.
so it’s not too late to get one as it can download ISOs for older Win10 releases

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[EP]

a year ago around the end of September 2019, MS did release 1903 “V2” ISOs with build 18362.356

let’s see if MS could release a set of “V2” ISOs for v2004 with build 19041.508 (KB4571756 update integrated) around middle or late September 2020

edit – I’ll go against the advice here and WAIT until MS produces newer 2004 ISOs with at least build 19041.508 and THEN I’ll go get a copy of an updated 2004 ISO download; just like for waiting a few weeks until it’s safe to apply the September 2020 patches

so there’s no real need to actually rushing out and getting a copy of Win10 v2004 yet since the upcoming 20H2 release won’t be due out until either late October or sometime in November.

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If I’m not running 2004, is there a good reason to get this? I use the 365 day deferral. Would it make more sense to have 2004 and use it to upgrade when 1909 loses support, or go with the latest version then? Or would it depend on what happens with 2009, and thus I should download the ISO just in case?

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v1909 isn’t EOL until May 11, 2021. v2004 still has quite a few problems. For now, Woody recommends staying with v1909 – you have plenty of time left. And you 365-day deferral is good for a long time yet.

It is a good idea, though, to use the Media Creation Tool to create a v2004 ISO for later use, because once v20H2 (not named 2009) is released, the v2004 ISO will be harder to come by. You don’t want to upgrade to 20H2 right after it is released, so having the v2004 ISO is insurance for when v1909 goes EOL.

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I was on 1803 when it went EOL.  I updated using in-place through Windows Update.  I used instructions from this forum which allowed me to download 1909 based on number of deferral days, won’t this be the same – meaning I can get v2004 based on number of deferral days ?

I never use the media creation tool and am not comfortable/familiar with it. Why would I use that instead of in-place download? Thanks

 

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For me personally, the main reason for MCT is, that I have always installation available. Solid, all-the-time-available solution for update. I do not need to wait IF it appears in Windows Update and I do not need to wait until these gigabytes are downloaded.

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I agree and do it for the same reason. Plus I can do the upgrade offline.

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WHEN to download (Win10 version###) final build?

Windows is constantly patching as versions ‘mature’. Do the versions downloaded with Media Creation Tool, come ‘patched’? Or is the version downloaded the same raw version that initially comes out?
If patched, is there some kind of predictable schedule?

I figure if it does get patched, may as well try to get the most recent version, but don’t want to play chicken with MS decision when to pull a version and foist the new one on us.

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MS periodically creates a new ISO during the life of a version of Windows. You definitely don’t want the first one that the MCT downloads for you.
On the other hand, if you wait until the next version is available, I don’t care what version is in the title of the MCT you download, you will get the “latest and greatest”.

It is getting close to release time for 2009 (now known as 20H2). This is already the 9th month. It’s probably as good as it gets.

I wouldn’t wait too much longer.

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Just downloaded 2004 using MCT and got version 19041.450 (August 2020 patch Tuesday).

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I’m currently using win10 pro and when I download the iso file from the site listed, the only option I get for versions is Win 10.

Does this iso file include win10 pro? If not, how can I download the pro version??

Thanks!

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If you use the MCT, when it creates the ISO it will ask you if you want it for the current computer or you want to use it for other computers.
If you choose other computers, it will create a generic ISO for 32 and 64 bit, Home and Pro.

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BobRoss2024 wrote:

I’m currently using win10 pro and when I download the iso file from the site listed, the only option I get for versions is Win 10.

The MCT always say’s “W10 Home” in the USB download. If you decide to install the ISO it will recognize that you have Pro.

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PKCano wrote:

If you use the MCT, when it creates the ISO it will ask you if you want it for the current computer or you want to use it for other computers.
If you choose other computers, it will create a generic ISO for 32 and 64 bit, Home and Pro.

 

CADesertRat wrote:

BobRoss2024 wrote:

I’m currently using win10 pro and when I download the iso file from the site listed, the only option I get for versions is Win 10.

The MCT always say’s “W10 Home” in the USB download. If you decide to install the ISO it will recognize that you have Pro.

 

Ok so when/if I install this generic ISO image, I’ll either get the option to install PRO or the install program will see I’m on PRO am automatically install PRO, great!

Thanks

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Is there a Woody group discussion somewhere of the mechanics of upgrading once we have used the  media creation tool to download an ISO?

Questions I have in mind:
–is it always preferable to install from a USB or can we trust installation from the same hard drive that holds the current OS?
–my machine’s OS was installed by the vendor so it’s an OEM version.   Does installation of a newer version of Win10 from the ISO require that we first find the serial number of our license?   Or will the installation process find and use the OS license of what we currently have installed?

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You can install from the local hard disk by mounting the ISO (double click and run setup.exe from the new drive), or create a USB version. Both work fine.

You do not need to enter a license, Windows will pick up the details from your machine.

The only thing you need to do is make an image backup before you start.

cheers, Paul

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Hi Paul,

Can you tell me how large of a thumb drive I’d need for this? I’m planning to order a few specifically for saving a version of 2004 and 1909 from Heidec and wanted to be sure I had enough space on each.

Thanks!

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8GB flash drives should be big enough for either storing an ISO or making bootable install media.

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[LHiggins]

Great – thanks!!

But as noted by John782 will I need to reformat the drive to NTFS first?

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[Paul T]

Nope, flash drives tend to come formatted exFAT, which is good for around 128PB.

cheers, Paul

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The install program will see you are on PRO 32 or 64bit.

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artsgo wrote:

Is there a Woody group discussion somewhere of the mechanics of upgrading once we have used the  media creation tool to download an ISO?

Questions I have in mind:
–is it always preferable to install from a USB or can we trust installation from the same hard drive that holds the current OS?
–my machine’s OS was installed by the vendor so it’s an OEM version.   Does installation of a newer version of Win10 from the ISO require that we first find the serial number of our license?   Or will the installation process find and use the OS license of what we currently have installed?

You can mount the ISO file (double click) and run setup.exe from within Windows, or boot from bootable USB. It doesn’t make a difference.
Your Windows 10 license is “burned on the motherboard”. No need to enter license.

As advised , disconnect from the Internet (Lan/Wi-fi) before updating/upgrading.
Take a full image copy of your system to an external USB HD before updating/upgrading.

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dmt_3904 wrote:

What is Heidoc.net?

Heidoc.net is a site that lets you download Windows (7, 8.1, 10) and Office ISO files that can’t be downloaded directly from Microsoft.
The ISO files are Microsoft releases.

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Thanks.  I went there.  I could not find anything other than windows 7.  I’m sure it’s just my ignorance.  I noticed that the site is not HTTPS. My browser forced it but, but in’t that a security risk?  I would think it’s critical to encrypt a site where one is downloading software.

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Go to Heidoc.net. The site IS https  https://www.heidoc.net/joomla/
Click on the Windows and Office ISO Download Tool

Download it to your desktop
Run it by double clicking on it.
Choose the ISO for the Windows *version, *Edition (Home or Pr0), and *bitedness (32 or 64 bit) that you want.
Download the ISO to your desktop.
Now you have several choices:
+ Double click on the ISO and mount OR right click on the ISO and “Open with” File Explorer. It will show up as another drive letter. You can install it on that computer by running setup.exe
+ You can copy/paste the ISO to a storage device (external USB HDD, for example) to be used later.
+ You can “burn” it to install media (DVD or bootable USB) to be used later.

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I’ve got a new build with Win 10 Pro. Nothing but minimal drivers on it. Better to get 2004 loaded now before loading other software?

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Woody recommends v1909 until v2004 stabilizes. The latter still has some problems.

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What version do you have now?

If it’s 1909 I STRONGLY suggest you DO NOT upgrade. There is nothing you need (few changes), and you forfeit some control over upgrades (thanks MS.), not to mention the glitches. Seems every new version has accumulated a larger number of hassles. 2004 is almost ready to ‘age off’ and it isn’t even ready for prime time yet.

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PKCano wrote:

Go to Heidoc.net. The site IS https  https://www.heidoc.net/joomla/
Click on the Windows and Office ISO Download Tool

Download it to your desktop
Run it by double clicking on it.
Choose the ISO for the Windows *version, *Edition (Home or Pr0), and *bitedness (32 or 64 bit) that you want.
Download the ISO to your desktop.
Now you have several choices:
+ Double click on the ISO and mount OR right click on the ISO and “Open with” File Explorer. It will show up as another drive letter. You can install it on that computer by running setup.exe
+ You can copy/paste the ISO to a storage device (external USB HDD, for example) to be used later.
+ You can “burn” it to install media (DVD or bootable USB) to be used later.

Thank you, PKCano. You made it easy and simple. I downloaded the ISO file to the Desktop on both of my laptops. Then I copied the file and pasted it to a USB, that I had converted from a Fat32 format to a NTFS format. I had forgotten that when the USB is in the Fat32 format that you will always get a message that the file is too large even though you do have plenty of available space on the USB.

 

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John782 wrote:

I had forgotten that when the USB is in the Fat32 format that you will always get a message that the file is too large even though you do have plenty of available space on the USB.

The file is too large in FAT32 because FAT32 can handle only files up to 4GB.

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Downloading Windows 10 2004 now.  Instructions were very helpful.

How can I tell which version it is?  For example, the August 11th edition was mentioned in the article.  Does it matter which edition you get?

What is the difference between getting Windows 10 2004 version from the Microsoft site or getting it from heidoc.net either now or later?

 

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Windows 10 gets updated every month, so the version downloaded through Windows Update is the current (latest) version.

The ISO is only created periodically and it remains the static version that was compressed to make the ISO (until the next ISO is made at a later time).
The Heidoc ISOs are frozen in time (the date the ISO was madr by MS).
The ISO created by downloading the MCT and using it to create an ISO will probably be a later version.

The later (newer) version will most likely be the most stable.

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Thanks.

I have the following programs on my computer and not sure what they do or if I need them after reading the instructions on Computerworld.  (I have not installed Windows 10 yet).

MediaCreationTool1909.exe 18804 KB

MediaCreationTool2004.exe 18990 KB

Windows-ISO-Downloader.exe 6512 KB

Windows10Upgrade24074.exe 6388 KB

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ECWS wrote:

I have the following programs on my computer and not sure what they do

You do not need to keep them. You don’t even need to upgrade to 10 if you keep your system patched via ESU or 0patch. Your machine may not even upgrade to 10, not all do.

Start a new thread if you want specific advise.

cheers, Paul

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When I went to windows site it also has the “update now” for the Update Assistant.  Do we need to save a copy of that?

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No, all you need is the ISO.
If you have no plans to update for a while, you don’t even need the 2004 ISO – you can always get it later.

cheers, Paul

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Paul, how would we get it later, if needed?  I am staying on 1909 for now.

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You can download it from Heidoc.net

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I like the UserAgent method because I do not need to run in Admin mode, to download it.

This has changed in Firefox, because you now need an AddOn, User-Agent Switch and Manager. In the AddOn, change the browser’s user agent to be non-Windows then apply to All Windows Tabs. Then it follows method 2 from Woody’s article. You will need to choose between a 32-bit or 64-bit Windows 10.

I did not check if it is the Aug. 11 version, 19041.450, because I download the latest cumulative patch (once I want to upgrade to 2004) and apply the ISO and patches offline, before putting the PC on the Internet.

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Be sure you also download the matching SSU. You need to install it first.

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Thanks I forgot to mention the SSU. Also it would be good to consider downloading the  Cumulative .Net Framework before hand too, to apply all patches offline.

Because I am bias to Firefox, all standalone installs are available at https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/

 

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Some corrections:

KP wrote:

User-Agent Switch and Manager

User-Agent Switcher and Manager

KP wrote:

All Windows Tabs

Apply (all windows)

 

 

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[EP]

ok, I now think it’s time to grab a copy of those 2004 ISOs before MS replaces them with the 20H2 versions later this October on their web site.

please note that the 2004 ISOs normally obtained from the MS Win10 downloads page or with the 2004 media creation tool (with either build 19041.264 or 19041.450 [the Aug. 2020 refresh of 2004]) will not include the defrag bugfix. KB4571744, KB4571756 or higher update will have to be installed after v2004 installation to fix most of the defrag bugs.

MSDN/MVS subscribers have gotten the newer 2004 ISOs with build 19041.508 (KB4571756 CU integrated) in late September that includes most of the defrag fixes.
Ask a willing MSDN/MVS user to obtain these updated 2004 ISOs (aka. Sept. 2020 refresh of 2004) which do include the defrag bugfixes:
en_windows_10_consumer_editions_version_2004_updated_sep_2020_x64_dvd_4c07c420.iso
en_windows_10_consumer_editions_version_2004_updated_sep_2020_x86_dvd_9bcac8c4.iso

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