Internet Explorer officially goes bye-bye – for Office, er, Microsoft 365 apps

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And that old version of Edge gets kicked to the curb, too. MS has officially announced the demise of Internet Explorer 11, at least as far as Office g
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Microsoft Chromium Edge support is being dropped July 15, 2021 for Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2 with NO solid indication as to how it affects ESU subscribers.
The only documentation I can find is:

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/deployedge/microsoft-edge-supported-operating-systems

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** We will continue to support Microsoft Edge on Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2 until July 15, 2021. These operating systems are out of support and Microsoft recommends you move to a supported operating system such as Windows 10. While Microsoft Edge helps keep you more secure on the web, your PC may still be vulnerable to security risks. In order for IE mode to be supported on these operating systems the devices will need to have the Extended Security Updates for Windows 7. Without the Windows 7 Extended Security updates Internet Explorer functionality will be vulnerable to security risks. Additionally, IE mode functionality may cease to work without the continued servicing through the extended security updates.

Doesn’t this leave a void for Win7 ESU/ Office 365 users from July 15th 2021?
What happens after August 17th for Win7 ESU subscibers with IE and no Chromium Edge using Office 365?

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For Microsoft-only support, I guess yes it does.  However you can still install Chrome and Firefox on 7.  You can also install O365 on the OS instead of using the web-only versions.

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The really good news is that you do not need Office 365 at all. The best version (my opinion) for the vast majority of users was 2010. MS has not added any functionality (other than for enterprises), in years. In fact they have literally take it away. About half my clients still use Office 2003 and are quite happy with that.

CT

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anon wrote:
For Microsoft-only support, I guess yes it does. However you can still install Chrome and Firefox

As Chrome, like new Edge, is based on the Chromium open-source browser project, Chrome won’t solve the problem – it’s part of the problem…

But, yes, hopefully Firefox will continue to provide a secure solution and save us all!

Hope this helps.

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You’re right, I didn’t realize this was a Chromium issue.  Quick search didn’t show anything from Brave or Vivaldi saying they were doing the same, but Chrome specifically has the same cutoff date.

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Too bad! I haven’t used IE11 for about a year, but Chrome and even the new chrome-based Edge do not play well with Roboform all the time. IE11 never failed to work with Roboform consistently. Now, I have to constantly click logins 2-3 times to login somewhere; IE11 always logged in everywhere with one click. Oh well… Goodbye, old friend.

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That is Roboform developers problem living in the past and being lazy to stay updated with the new browsers.

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Of course!  Lol at the idea of password managers anyway.  Developing for ie and nothing else is the height of laziness and the bare minimum.  I haven’t used ie in over a decade, has been a great decade.  I won’t miss active-x and crashes and ugly ui.  To me firefox > all others for ease of use and open source.  But I know it’s on borrowed time as well, there was just an article in zdnet about it.  IE is maybe the worst browser I have ever used, I still hate it for destroying netscape.

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How does Office 365 function on MacOS without IE11 ?

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Just putting the nails in the coffin. It’s been dead for years. Most of the world now uses Chrome. Microsoft has lost the browser war.

CT

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Canadian Tech wrote:
Microsoft has lost the browser war.

Microsoft Internet Explorer has lost the browser war.
FTFY

But the jury’s still out on new Chromium-based Edge, as Microsoft’s first stable release was on 1/15/20, only seven months ago…

Hope this helps.

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I’ll take bets on Google Chrome. It’s far to embedded now to unseat.

CT

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ChrEdge is Microsoft realizing that Chrome has already won and instead is going to “value add” to the standard Chromium base package.  The saying “Embrace, Extend, Extinguish” exists because this isn’t Microsoft’s first rodeo.

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MS can best improve on Chrome, by adding as little as possible to Chromium-based Edge.  Chrome’s problem is that it has become obese, slow, feature-heavy, and a greedy pig for RAM/CPU.

So far, ChrEdge works fine for me and consumes less RAM/CPU.  But looking at the Edge developer blog and their subReddit, they have a slew of features planned.

• That is the real danger: Future releases of Edge get loaded down with so much deadweight, so that it becomes no better than Chrome.
• They need to test on older machines (e.g. Core 2 Duo, or even cheapie 1-core Celeron 900 laptops, 2 GB ram (Walmart special, Black Friday 2010)).  Thanks to Covid-19 and work-from-home, many older PC’s/laptops have been brought back into service.

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Edge legacy was doomed from the start, nothing wrong with performance mostly as long as web sites tested their sites for Edge and Firefox, but unfortunately most were focused on Chromium. I’m surprised Microsoft hasn’t killed Edge legacy before this. Firefox basically faces the same demise of having to try and make their browser work in a mostly Chromium based web.

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While I don’t normally use Internet Explorer 11, there is one troubling thing about this.

Newer HP MFP devices allow you to Scan to Sharepoint; this will work with OneDrive for business.  However, to supply the appropriate path for the printer (which one inputs into the WebUI) requires Internet Explorer 11.  There is a function on the OneDrive site, “Open in File Explorer”, that only shows on IE11 (it may even use an ActiveX add-on IIRC) and the path in File Explorer is what one inputs into the printer’s configuration.

Microsoft has not made this option available in newer browsers; this is something I had to find out from a copier technician to make things work. I hope the situation doesn’t remain this way; every other way I have tried to get the appropriate path has failed, the other path options don’t work with the HP units.

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Microsoft has not made this option available in newer browsers; this is something I had to find out from a copier technician to make things work. I hope the situation doesn’t remain this way; every other way I have tried to get the appropriate path has failed, the other path options don’t work with the HP units.

Out of curiosity, have you tried using Microsoft Edge in “Internet Explorer mode” to access the OneDrive site? (or would that be cheating? )

Hope this helps.

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While I don’t normally use Internet Explorer 11, there is one troubling thing about this.

Newer HP MFP devices allow you to Scan to Sharepoint; this will work with OneDrive for business.  However, to supply the appropriate path for the printer (which one inputs into the WebUI) requires Internet Explorer 11.  There is a function on the OneDrive site, “Open in File Explorer”, that only shows on IE11 (it may even use an ActiveX add-on IIRC) and the path in File Explorer is what one inputs into the printer’s configuration.

Microsoft has not made this option available in newer browsers; this is something I had to find out from a copier technician to make things work. I hope the situation doesn’t remain this way; every other way I have tried to get the appropriate path has failed, the other path options don’t work with the HP units.

Microsoft and others killing off featu..sorry, “streamlining services” is nothing new. They get rid of options and replace with inferior versions all the time, it’s infuriating.

As to IE being slowly killed off, I finally made the move off it when Youtube stopped supporting it. I’m now using Brave as my full-time browser and it works great. Missing a proper Menu Bar though.

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I’m with you on Brave missing a proper Menu Bar. Brave has become one of my browsers because I do a lot of research and in Brave you can print Web pages to PDF while preserving the embedded links. But the lack of a Menu Bar, plus the placement of tabs at the very top of the screen (instead of closest to the display window), have prevented Brave from becoming the main browser for me.

 

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BobT

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Yup! Irritating that those minor little issues like that just make it a “worse” experience than other browsers. It would shine so bright otherwise.

Really wish they’d get on with sorting such things and giving more customisability. Unfortunately the move to using Chromium just meant we were stuck with the bad elements of Chrome.

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Cybertooth

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Glad I switched to Pale Moon (a Firefox derivative) several years ago. But I wonder about the operations that still somehow under the covers seem to default to IE for “handling the goods”. I’m no fan of new Microsoft browser tech; it doesn’t feel like their hearts are in the right place (vs. a browser made by people not trying first and foremost to herd you toward “services” you don’t really want).

The thing about IE that I liked way back when was that (with suitable reconfiguration) it could manage keeping you away from downloading harmful things from sites you didn’t explicitly say you trusted. But now uBlock / uMatrix can accomplish the same (and better) with other browsers, so onward and online we can go relatively safely.

-Noel

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BobT wrote:

LoneWolf wrote:

While I don’t normally use Internet Explorer 11, there is one troubling thing about this.

Newer HP MFP devices allow you to Scan to Sharepoint; this will work with OneDrive for business.  However, to supply the appropriate path for the printer (which one inputs into the WebUI) requires Internet Explorer 11.  There is a function on the OneDrive site, “Open in File Explorer”, that only shows on IE11 (it may even use an ActiveX add-on IIRC) and the path in File Explorer is what one inputs into the printer’s configuration.

Microsoft has not made this option available in newer browsers; this is something I had to find out from a copier technician to make things work. I hope the situation doesn’t remain this way; every other way I have tried to get the appropriate path has failed, the other path options don’t work with the HP units.

Microsoft and others killing off featu..sorry, “streamlining services” is nothing new. They get rid of options and replace with inferior versions all the time, it’s infuriating.

As to IE being slowly killed off, I finally made the move off it when Youtube stopped supporting it. I’m now using Brave as my full-time browser and it works great. Missing a proper Menu Bar though.

I’m not disagreeing with you. I go between Firefox and Brave myself.  I generally hide Internet Explorer from people unless there’s a banking site so curmudgeonly as to require it.

It’s more a “why is this particular feature, involving two Tier-I vendors, only possible with IE11? Why hasn’t Microsoft coded OneDrive for Business to allow this another way, or HP to allow their configuration another way?”

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I agree. Irritating, isn’t it. All their older packages used to be really well connected, now features just seem to be disappearing one after the other, leaving only a single, “streamlined” use path that suits the vendor, rather than the user.

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There’s a few weird things in the wild that will break once IE goes away.  It used to be able to do a lot which made it required for certain “Web 1.0” systems like CD-based training courses.  I have a couple printers that still use old-school Java applets for management that won’t work in anything but IE.  Not much to do about it.

Assuming that your printers are still supported by HP, contact their tech support and ask what they plan on doing.  They might’ve already released a firmware patch or a tool that allows you to set up the Sharepoint links.  The other possibility is they might allow you to change configuration via Telnet or SSH.  Otherwise keep a virtual copy of Windows 7 for your weird one-off problems until you no longer need it after another 10 years or so.

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I guess this accompany change went unnoticed

Plan for change: TLS 1.0 and TLS 1.1 soon to be disabled by default

Update as of 8/14/2020: The plan to disable TLS 1.0/1.1 by default is being updated for Internet Explorer and Microsoft Edge Legacy. TLS 1.0 and TLS 1.1 will not be disabled by default for either browser until Spring of 2021 at the earliest.

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woody

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As both browsers are going to die the changes in TLS doesn’t matter much.

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woody

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IE changes alway affect the whole OS internet platform, more or less

IE11 is supported until 2029 (and maybe 2032)

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