IDC and Gartner agree: PC sales up year-over-year in 2nd quarter

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Not by much, but it’s the first uptick in about six years. Of course, you have to take into account the fact that 2Q 2017 results were absolutely dism
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I wouldn’t be surprised to see Microsoft giving away new PCs just to boost the market share for Windows 10 :)!

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There seems to be an ambiguity as to what qualifies as a “PC” here. If such is the case, is it because of the lack of an accepted definition? That would be “interesting.”

My two-cents towards a proper and unique definition:

A Personal Computer is a single-user, self-standing, electronic general computing device that may be designed for occupying a permanent position on a desktop, with a larger and more expandable set of components than a second type designed for being carried around by the user, both types having a variety of external ports to connect them through cables, as well as over-the-air, to external devices and systems such as printer, internet router, Ethernet, video displays, external hard disks, etc., and also a keyboard, a mouse and, or a track pad, with possibly other input devices for the user to interact with the machine.

(At least until the day, perhaps not very far in the future, when one might have to add “or photonic” after “electronic.”)

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Probably frustrated “Surface” owners going out buying a real machine is responsible for the uptick in numbers

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Gamers (I am decidedly not one) may be crazy but on the subject of desktop computer displays and video cards they are the go-to experts.  I never found that level of knowledge among those who buy displays for use in businesses, though allegedly the medical world relies on some high-end stuff.

 

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I found that was true when a former college friend who is now a retired researcher in traumatic brain injuries showed me his 3D modeling of strokes and brain injury repairs.  He was the very well versed in using all the gaming tech to speed the imaging and viewing of the models.

He generally uses a desktop workstation graphics array, but for travel he has an ultra high spec gaming laptop for presentations.  The work was impressive and so was the laptop.

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JohnW

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I wonder if you average in the poor sales from 2Q 2017 that you mentioned, if there’s really any growth. Maybe people/businesses were waiting for Windows to improve and just finally gave in. So maybe they’re not really gaining popularity, the uptick is just people who’ve been dragging their feet since 2017 or so.

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Makes sense. Some of them ARE going bad, and not everyone thinks you can do it all with a phone or tablet.

And why wouldn’t people want a computer that’s now faster than ever and uses less power than ever? Intel et. al. HAVE been marching on with making chips more powerful…

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When you can get an i7-8086k (6-cores/12 processing threads all locked at 5GHz), might be time to consider an upgrade! 

https://ark.intel.com/products/148263/Intel-Core-i7-8086K-Processor-12M-Cache-up-to-5_00-GHz

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aack, gag me, from softpedia, “The Love” (unbelievable)

https://news.softpedia.com/news/the-love-for-windows-10-generates-the-first-pc-sales-growth-in-six-years-521953.shtml

dark humor ?

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A lot of people hated the UI for Win8, in comparison maybe Win 10 is “loved.”

So it’s interesting that IDC says the PC format is increasing in the consumer market while Gartner says the Windows market is still shrinking.  It’s also interesting that IDC says gamers are one of the driving factors in PC sales.  Most core gamers are forced to use Windows, while most casual gamers use handheld.

It’s sounding like consumers are getting away from Windows in general, and gamers might be one of the few groups that’s left consumer-wise.

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Gaming is an interesting conundrum.  My image of gamers runs from what I do – classic single player games, but no online coop gaming, to the newer ultra-HD coop type of first person shooters or roleplaying gamers running bleeding edge tech, to console players and the solitaire time passers.

This weekend I was talking to an old classmate who is now retired and found out she is an avid online coop RPG gamer with a pretty nice rig.  It was definitely outside of the media-portrayed ‘gamer’ demographic f9r a number of reasons – over 60, female, tech savvy, massively multiplayer online role-playing game (MMORPG) gamer, using a PC and largely eschewing any smartphone/mobile obsession.  Her iPhone is a communication tool and camera.

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