How’d your 8.1 (KB2919355-Tues March 8) upgrade go?

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Date: March 8, 2014 Windows 8.1 update (KB2919355)
Download size: >800MB

No problems so far, but it did turn system restore back on, which I had previously disabled, and put “This PC”
back on my explorer main page, which I had previously removed.
The update also reinstalled some default MS start screen apps that I had previously removed.

[NOTE] There were several other updates on this day that were needed prior to main event (KB2919355).

I did run cleanmgr on “system” afterward and it found 555MB worth of WU cleanup.
…Now off to make an image.

Like always, ensure you’ve made an image before installing this update.

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Great. Been running it since 3/20 on two machines.

I also saw some apps revert. But otherwise it is fine.

Joe

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My desktop (8.0) didn’t get that one. I haven’t used my laptop (8.1) for a spell. Perhaps I’ll wake it up and update it.

Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!

We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems; we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.

We were all once "Average Users".

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2919355 is only offered up to 8.1 machines, not 8.0

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2919355 is only offered up to 8.1 machines, not 8.0

Yes, I know; wasn’t expecting it on my desktop. However, it wasn’t offered to my 8.1 laptop, either. I did get an offer for 30 important updates and 2 optional updates. I’ve declined (and hidden yet again) the Bing Bar optional update. Going through the process with the rest of them.

I didn’t notice if KB2919442 was in that bunch, but it’s not listed in my installed updates, so maybe that’s why I didn’t get KB2919355 offered yet.

Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!

We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems; we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.

We were all once "Average Users".

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2919355 is only offered up to 8.1 machines, not 8.0

According to Mary Jo Foley at zd.net

http://www.zdnet.com/windows-8-1-users-its-time-to-move-to-windows-8-1-update-7000028157/

Update: Those running Windows 8 will be able to move to 8.1 Update without updating to 8.1 first, Microsoft officials said.

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Update: Those running Windows 8 will be able to move to 8.1 Update without updating to 8.1 first, Microsoft officials said.

Intriguing, maybe she will have more specific information as to when and how in this week’s Winders Wheekly because I never had a darn bit of luck in going to 8.1 to date.

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First round of 30 installed and rebooted, now I’ve been offered important update KB2919442. We’ll see what’s next…

KB2919442 installed, and a recheck for updates is now offering me KB2919355. Off to the races!

Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!

We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems; we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.

We were all once "Average Users".

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I installed the update without incident. Haven’t noticed any major changes to my setup but I hadn’t customized it much other than installing Classic Shell which survived the update. Tried pinning a Metro app to the desktop task bar and it works fine. Also used the new taskbar while in Metro and it allowed me to get to a specific desktop app that was pinned to the taskbar. A lot handier than Winkey + D and then launching a pinned app.

it’s a little early but I was having issues with a graphics driver restart when I awoke from sleep mode that seems to have gone away.

Jerry

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The only thing I noticed offhand is that it wiped out my Windows 7 bootmgr.efi and replaced it with bootfw.efi., so I’ll have to go back through that again. I have the Trusted Platform Module disabled, and much prefer the Windows 7 loader.

Oh, and it did pin the Store App to the desktop taskbar. I’ll unpin that. I don’t use the Start Screen at all, so I haven’t really looked at it.

Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!

We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems; we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.

We were all once "Average Users".

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The only thing I noticed offhand is that it wiped out my Windows 7 bootmgr.efi and replaced it with bootfw.efi., so I’ll have to go back through that again. I have the Trusted Platform Module disabled, and much prefer the Windows 7 loader.

Oh, and it did pin the Store App to the desktop taskbar. I’ll unpin that. I don’t use the Start Screen at all, so I haven’t really looked at it.

I piddled around in Windows 8.1 Update 1 (8.1.1 sounds better) for a bit, and didn’t find anything much different. Nothing renamed or Personalizations undone that I noticed. I unpinned the Store App from the taskbar, then booted my TBWinRE EFI Rescue USB and launched Image For Windows, selected Restore and navigated to my laptop’s full drive image on my NAS. I selected the EFI partition image as source and the laptop EFI partition as target, and got my Windows 7 bootmgr.efi restored.

I shut down the laptop, removed the USB stick and started it back up. I chose Windows 8 in the good ole Windows 7 boot menu, and it booted just fine. I then rebooted and selected Windows 7, which also booted just fine, and then reminded me that I have Windows Updates available – 61, as it turns out (after hiding the Bing Bar and Bing Desktop optional updates again).

I’ll recheck for updates on both sides of my dual boot one more time, then boot my TBWinRE EFI Rescue USB and make a fresh full drive image of my laptop.

I forgot to mention that I’m using StartIsBack+ on 8.1, and nothing at all changed with it. Boots to the desktop with the StartIsBack+ Start Menu.

Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!

We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems; we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.

We were all once "Average Users".

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Hey Y’all,

I think the MS servers are swamped as I get the downloads up in WU but they won’t install. :cheers:

May the Forces of good computing be with you!

RG

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Like JoeP517, manually installed update 1 last month on one desktop and have been running it without any problems. Today my other desktop was updated via the “normal” Windows Update procedure. File size for the latter desktop was >800 megs. Interestingly, the other desktop (the manual install of update 1 in March) did install update KB2919355 but the file size was <200 megs. Apparently there were some differences between the March update files and today's files.

Rich

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Hey Y’all,

I keep getting errors even after running the WU troubleshooter.
36737-Win8-1-Update1
:cheers:

Update: reran the WU Trouble shooter, which fixed two problems and system file checker w/o problems.
Still will not install the 3 updates.

May the Forces of good computing be with you!

RG

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Hey Y’all,

I keep getting errors even after running the WU troubleshooter.

Update: reran the WU Trouble shooter, which fixed two problems and system file checker w/o problems.
Still will not install the 3 updates.

RG, do you have KB2919442 in your list of installed updates?

Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!

We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems; we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.

We were all once "Average Users".

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RG, do you have KB2919442 in your list of installed updates?

Bruce, yes I do it was installed on 3/16/2014!

I’ve Restored my boot drive (let’s here it for images, mine via Macrium Reflect) and will try again later today when I have some time to monitor the process.

This is the current status of what WU wants to install:
36739-wu
:cheers:

May the Forces of good computing be with you!

RG

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Run through the “get help with this error” RG, you’ll be confronted with a couple suggestions, one being the DISM cleanup command.
I had success on clearing out a previous but similar issue.
Make sure your bandwidth/access is solid too.

See this thread too; http://windowssecrets.com/forums/showthread//161055-KB2919355-issues-being-tracked

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Running windows 8.1. Tried this update and failed. Retried and it succeeded, BUT I found that I had no IE11, this being my only browser caused the obvious problem. I checked out my e-mail to myself and found that was working. I am using Classic shell, went to the start screen and tried the IE11 tile this also failed to open explore, however I had an explore blue screen. Uninstalled classic shell, still nothing. From e-mail messages the hyper link also failed to open ie explore. Finally went and uninstalled KB2919355 and back to a working IE11. I will down load another browser before re trying this update.

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I have pretty much the same problem with Internet Explorer cited above. Internet Explorer no longer works after yesterday’s updates and the update to 8.1.1. Fortunately IE is not my primary browser but you do need it for some websites (especially Microsoft’s). I checked updates and there was another optional update available today but it didn’t fix the IE problem. I also ran the Windows Troubleshooting and it said I had an incompatible add-on but removing that didn’t fix the problem either. I suspect this is a problem affecting more than just a few people. I can wait for an update, if I have to.

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I have pretty much the same problem with Internet Explorer cited above. Internet Explorer no longer works after yesterday’s updates and the update to 8.1.1. Fortunately IE is not my primary browser but you do need it for some websites (especially Microsoft’s). I checked updates and there was another optional update available today but it didn’t fix the IE problem. I also ran the Windows Troubleshooting and it said I had an incompatible add-on but removing that didn’t fix the problem either. I suspect this is a problem affecting more than just a few people. I can wait for an update, if I have to.

The update turned off the Flash player and messed with the Active-X settings on IE for me. You might check into that. The options won’t be visible unless you’re on a site that is using flash or a site that is using Active-X.

Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!

We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems; we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.

We were all once "Average Users".

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Still no love!

I managed to update everything on a one by one basis but the Win 8.1. update 1 still fails!
36740-wu
Now on to the possible fixes. :cheers:

Update:
36741-dsimps
:cheers:

May the Forces of good computing be with you!

RG

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I can’t install KB2919355 – it goes all the way to 99% installation then states:”We couldn’t complete the upgrades Windows changes. Undoing changes. Don’t turn off your computer”. It then rolls back to the way it was before trying to update. MS knows there’s a problem – http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-pulls-windows-81-update-from-wsus-servers

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I can’t install KB2919355 – it goes all the way to 99% installation then states:”We couldn’t complete the upgrades Windows changes. Undoing changes. Don’t turn off your computer”. It then rolls back to the way it was before trying to update. MS knows there’s a problem – http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-pulls-windows-81-update-from-wsus-servers

But the issue at that link only applies to Enterprise Update Servers (WSUS); and only affects subsequent updates, not the main 8.1 Update.

If you used Windows Update, your problem is more likely one of the other issues collated by Susan Bradley (not #4): KB2919355 issues being tracked

Bruce

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Went through on the third attempt. Havnt noticed anything different as yet as I have always booted to desktop with Start8. No doubt the changes will emerge in the days to follow.

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Hey Y’all,

I’m still getting error 800705AA. Which of course the “Help with this error” provides no useful information.

I read the articles and thought it might be because I’d moved the Documents, Pictures, Downloads, and Video’s files to my G: drive. So I move them back using the Reset to Defaults option button on the properties window, rebooted and unfortunately got the same result. :angry:

Come on MS you make it easy to move this stuff then screw it up with an update!

:cheers:

May the Forces of good computing be with you!

RG

PowerShell & VBA Rule!
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Hey Y’all,

I’m still getting error 800705AA. Which of course the “Help with this error” provides no useful information.

I read the articles and thought it might be because I’d moved the Documents, Pictures, Downloads, and Video’s files to my G: drive. So I move them back using the Reset to Defaults option button on the properties window, rebooted and unfortunately got the same result. :angry:

Come on MS you make it easy to move this stuff then screw it up with an update!

:cheers:

Have you read the Susan Bradley thread linked in post #18?

Joe

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Have you read the Susan Bradley thread linked in post #18?
Joe

Yes. You’ll notice in this thread #16 I even posted the resulting error I got when I tried the DISM fix. :cheers:

May the Forces of good computing be with you!

RG

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Yes. You’ll notice in this thread #16 I even posted the resulting error I got when I tried the DISM fix. :cheers:

But the error you showed did not have DISM as the command.

Joe

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Hello, 517.
I did get the update KB2929355, not a twitch. And this one sees my Office 2000, yeah ! I had to reset a few Windows to open Maximized to fill my screen. I also had to Signing again, here, at Secrets. Jean.

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Hey Y’all,

I’m still getting error 800705AA. Which of course the “Help with this error” provides no useful information.

I read the articles and thought it might be because I’d moved the Documents, Pictures, Downloads, and Video’s files to my G: drive. So I move them back using the Reset to Defaults option button on the properties window, rebooted and unfortunately got the same result. :angry:

Come on MS you make it easy to move this stuff then screw it up with an update!

:cheers:

Did the Reset to Defaults recreate all the My Documents, My Pictures, etc folders under C:usersyour user account?

Jerry

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I didn’t have any problems installing the update but, on restart, my system was so slow I had to uninstall it. Couldn’t find any processes running that would have caused it. After the uninstall everything is back to normal.

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I’ve had no problems with the update (that I’ve found so far). RG, I also have my documents etc on another partition so I wonder if that’s a red herring for you (though you’ve probably already decided that).

Eliminate spare time: start programming PowerShell

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Jerry,

No, I reset each one manually. HTH :cheers:

May the Forces of good computing be with you!

RG

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Is it possible you missed one? I have documents, downloads, favorites, pictures, music, and Videos folders under my user ID.

Jerry

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8.1 Update applied uneventfully.

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The official word from Microsoft regarding moving to Windows 8.1 Update 1 from Windows 8
(http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/install-latest-update-windows-8-1)

If your PC is running Windows 8 or Windows RT, open the Windows Store on your PC and update to Windows 8.1 or Windows RT 8.1. This latest update will be included. For more info, see Update to Windows 8.1 from Windows 8.

Jerry

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Joe,

It’s the PowerShell equivalent.
I tried it both ways and the PS version was the second so that’s the one I posted. HTH :cheers:

May the Forces of good computing be with you!

RG

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After numerous attempts with this update I have eventually got there, a few more problems occurred along the way though. I down loaded firefox and this worked OK even though IE11 did not. My security has been Windows Defender and works well.
Only 7 days earlier I had refreshed my PC all available updates had been installed all drivers had been up to date.
I had used the trouble shooter and all appeared well, same with check disk. Also system restore failed too.
Now I thought I would refresh it again to see if that helped.
Prior to downloading update 1, I had used the F8 safe mode and it worked fine. Now around an hour later I found that I was unable to use refresh through the normal method, the system started off but stopped a few minutes later stating there was a problem and no changes had been made.
A number of attempts were made with this same method but failed again.
Now I found that the F8 button failed to operate to get to the safe mode screen to use the repair PC option.
Eventually I got there through the msconfig.exe method.
Followed through onto the refresh PC retaining my settings.
I then started the updates rolling but I had also installed Classic shell and firefox.
All was going well with the updates however a slight distraction (talking) and I started off another down load I noticed it was a large one, once completed I found it was the by now dreaded KB2919355 Lo and behold it installed and IE11 was also working.
I must say despite this problem with the 8.1 update1 I am very impressed with the refresh mode in W8, normally quite simple to use, despite the hassle of reinstalling a few of my own programs.

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http://www.pcmmc.com/error-800705aa.php
That doesn’t look good. Do you have the ability to do a repair install? Access to media?

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Having felt good about sorting out my PC all was going well downloading programs and tools and installing from disc my usual stuff along comes a problem.

Yet again IE11 stopped working.

However I have narrowed down the problem. I noticed as soon I downloaded Junkware Removal Tool (JRT) the JRT screen flashed up, with the press any key to continue, I did not continue and simply X out as I was busy bee down loading. I noticed straight away that IE11 failed to load. Slightly better news system restore worked but only back to a critical update prior to KB2919355.
I have now updated everything setting restore points pre KB2919355, this update succeeded and IE11 works too, have set restore point post KB2919355 and will set some more with office installed + its updates.

It appears that there may be a bug in JRT which KB2919355 does not like as I had JRT on my PC before attempting 8.1 update 1 in the first place.

Hope this information may be of use.

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This is getting to be a right pain. Have just run CCleaner and all was well however when it came to the registry issues ran it as I usually have and yet again IE11 would not open. Fortunately I sorted it with a restore point after all my office updates were added. Seems this 8.1 update 1 does not like any action with the registry.
Looks like I will have to leave Ccleaner alone for a while.
Will see what happens when I try to clean up using disk clean up.

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This is getting to be a right pain. Have just run CCleaner and all was well however when it came to the registry issues ran it as I usually have and yet again IE11 would not open. Fortunately I sorted it with a restore point after all my office updates were added. Seems this 8.1 update 1 does not like any action with the registry.
Looks like I will have to leave Ccleaner alone for a while.
Will see what happens when I try to clean up using disk clean up.

Disk clean up is all you need, why risk creating issues when everything is ok, by using a registry cleaner?

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Thanks for the comment ruirib.

Disk clean has just finished and all is well, PC is flying and IE11 is still working.

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Hey Y’all,

Well I finally got Update 1 to install. The bad news is I had to do a Refresh to get it to work. ( sure glad I installed the 8.1 update from a USB key as that was the only media I had to do the refresh with.) So now I’m going through the exercise of reinstalling all of my applications (at least MS was nice enough to post a list of the applications it destroyed to the desktop) and resetting their settings. Interestingly the refresh did not change the location of my Documents folder back to the C: drive but let it continue to reside on the G: drive. :cheers:

May the Forces of good computing be with you!

RG

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Hey Y’all,

Well I finally got Update 1 to install. The bad news is I had to do a Refresh to get it to work. ( sure glad I installed the 8.1 update from a USB key as that was the only media I had to do the refresh with.) So now I’m going through the exercise of reinstalling all of my applications (at least MS was nice enough to post a list of the applications it destroyed to the desktop) and resetting their settings. Interestingly the refresh did not change the location of my Documents folder back to the C: drive but let it continue to reside on the G: drive. :cheers:

Ouch! That’s actually one of a few reasons I won’t even commit fully to Win7; I have a few thousand dollars invested in software and any prospect of reinstalling because of update glitches is completely out of the question when everything has been running most satisfactorily for a few years now . And my two gaming systems; 400 and some gigs of fresh downloads (archiving still seems to leave something to be desired when restoring)?

I’m still holding out for more information on the direct update from 8.0 to 8.1.1 but is anyone who has updated to 8.1.1 running a VM or two and have maybe twenty (I’ll settle for 15) or so windows/desktop taskbar items running, including 4 or 5 explorer windows? I thought the problem I was having was only in the 8.1 update but since acquiring a native speaking Win 8 system (the other was a VM), anytime I have a bunch of windows open, including a VM, any explorer windows put a disproportionate burden on the CPU. We’re talking between 25 and 30% of the cycles going to just 4 (3-5) explorer windows open on local and network shares.

In my mind those explorer windows should take very few cycles to keep open and with all my other stuff running, the CPU is maxing out (quad processor, 3.4GHz) with those open. If I close them all then things work good with the new-found breathing room. So anyway, in my long-winded way, just wondering if there’s hope for me in 8.1.1. If there isn’t, the only “refresh” the Win 8 system is going to get is to Win 7.

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I’m still holding out for more information on the direct update from 8.0 to 8.1.1 but is anyone who has updated to 8.1.1 running a VM or two and have maybe twenty (I’ll settle for 15) or so windows/desktop taskbar items running, including 4 or 5 explorer windows? I thought the problem I was having was only in the 8.1 update but since acquiring a native speaking Win 8 system (the other was a VM), anytime I have a bunch of windows open, including a VM, any explorer windows put a disproportionate burden on the CPU. We’re talking between 25 and 30% of the cycles going to just 4 (3-5) explorer windows open on local and network shares.

Not sure how you achieve that. I just experimented with it, since I never noticed anything wrong with File Explorer windows and I get pretty much no CPU usage on open windows – to be precise it varies between 0 and 0,3%. This is on a dual core i5.

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With an update this big I prefer to have a hard copy stored on my computer for future reference, and
not least of all, for purposes of clean installation and OS image roll-backs, for whatever reasons may arise.

So I’ve gone out and looked for a hard copy of the W8.1 update (KB2919355), and I’ve found it here…

Windows 8.1 Update 1: How to Download it Now
By Kevin ParrishApril 8, 2014 2:50 PM – Source: TechRadar

They also include the 4 other updates on offer that day prior to the actual W8.1 update.

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I found something that I hadn’t noticed prior to the W8.1 update;
Foxit reader (the latest ver) errors when attempting to open an IE11 browser page with a PDF.
36757-Foxit
Previously, I could just opt to download the PDF, it will no longer even allow that.

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Win 8.1 Update 1 now thinks that both my Crucial M4 SSD and 1Tb HDD are REMOVEABLE MEDIA!
36758-Update1Removeable
:cheers:

May the Forces of good computing be with you!

RG

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Win 8.1 Update 1 now thinks that both my Crucial M4 SSD and 1Tb HDD are REMOVEABLE MEDIA!
:cheers:

they are with the proper tools. 😎

Joe

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That’s why I stressed including a VM; I’ve had VMWare Player cross swords with another program running on the host and bind up the CPU unless I knocked off one core from the program (AutoGK). The only other factor that might make a difference is I’m running, and was running, an older version of ClassicShell (3.6.7).
This hyper-updating cycle is for those who like to tinker, not for those who have a ton of stuff to do every day. Explorer seems to be crashing or need restarting to become fully functional more and more often. Also, I’m three for three seeing this excessive CPU usage for open explorer windows but I don’t remember if I had a start menu program in place while 8.1 was running. I’ll try updating ClassicShell and see if things improve.

Edit: hey, everything is center formatting here now, is that just me or everybody? 😮
Edit: hmm, now it’s all back to left justified already

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Thanks but I’ve only verified one conflict with VMWare and it’s a good deal more flexible than Hyper-V (portable installs) though it takes some special considerations to get the same performance.
Having experimented some more while monitoring the task manager, the VM doesn’t seem to be having any affect. Windows opened on local drives and folders push cycles to 30% but only temporarily. With only three open it will settle down in the .4 to 0% range, four seems to make it stick a little more at 6-9% but it will also throttle back to near zero after a while. Network folders are a different matter. A fourth or fifth folder being a network folder will jump cycles as high as 50%, and sometimes it will eventually throttle all the way back to 5-6% or even close to 0 again. However, I just opened another network folder, just happens to be empty and cycles jumped to 46% or so and then only dropped back to 24-32% and is now stuck in that range.

So the problem seems related to open network folders though it doesn’t seem consistent…and lets count…ok, there’s about a dozen different network locations I go to regularly to store and retrieve and consume data.

So strike the VM idea, how does 8.1.1 explorer respond with say three local folders open and two different network locations open, sampled say 3 or 4 different times if the network locations are as numerous and available as mine are.

Just to add to the inconsistency, I closed the one empty network folder, fell to 9 to 15%, closed the other network location, jumped back up to 26-32% with no indication of dropping in the near future. Closed one local folder, no change, close second local folder so there was only one left open and then it dropped rapidly to zero.

So I’ve been seeing this reproducible phenomenon all along, but I’m not seeing any consistent pattern I can identify.

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Hello. I am about to roll back to W8 ! I have a clone.
W8.1.1 ran here but is deficient to the extend that I am considering a roll back. This deficiency might be due to my 4+ year old Acer, it runs quite slow on 8.1.1. The main trouble is that it will only boot from a Recovery USB bootable device. Is the MBR defective ? Also, it will not remember any password, even here in Secrets, I am unknown. I have to log in every time that I want to read the site even if I click on Remember me. This goes too for my bank access. To be exact:
1) no boot
2) slow on this machine
3) no password set
4) it sees my old O2K but in a convoluted way, my problem, not W-8.1.1
5) Most of the tittles in Start/Apps are in French. Where did it come from ? Was my KB toggled to French when I installed it ?

I am not crying in my beer, these are the economics of this user. I should be more specific, I had a clone of 8.1, I loaded it back in the Acer then D/L’d the 881 MBs update, it installed fine. Where is it hiccupping, or is it me ? More than likely me. I am on it at this moment, useable but why the aggravation ? Jean.

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I honestly believe that the Windows code Microsoft is dealing with now is so darn complicated that even with all the computer simulations they run, more and more “side effect” possibilities exist than ever before when updating. Also, Microsoft has to deal with the same security restrictions they’ve put in place when it comes to invasive changes to the operating system…that can’t be easy can it?

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This thread has devolved into trying to solve issues. A simple statement of status would be sufficient.

Please start your own thread if you have a specific issue to resolve.

Joe

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