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[See the full post at: How to get a free Win10 upgrade — newly updated by Ed Bott]
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It may MS’ best interest to get one off 7 or 8.1 to 10 but it may be in the users best interest to use something else when they finally leave 7 or 8.1. The disconnect is MS refuses to understand what users need and primarily want from any OS: stability and reliability.
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Perhaps Microsoft is allowing this (but not advertising it) because they are trying to generate some additional interest in Windows 10. They know that if someone “sneakily” does a free upgrade to Windows 10, they will think that they have “gotten over” on Microsoft and will therefore be enthusiastic about Windows 10.
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The users: Ah, ha! We’re fooling Microsoft!
Microsoft: Ah, ha! We’re fooling those users!
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There may be no out-of-pocket cost to obtain Windows 10 but any measure of the “all-in” cost of acquisition that includes blood, sweat, tears and loss of privacy quickly reveals that it’s not free!
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Well, the “free” upgrade definitely still works for me here in Australia.
Did one less than 6 hours ago. Used an ‘old’ Windows 7 Home Premium license key which was accepted and gave me a “new” Windows 10 Home license for the main PC.
Reason for doing this is I want to have a dual boot of Windows 7 Professional and Windows 10 on this PC. I already have a Windows 10 Professional upgrade license for the W7 Professional but you can’t (or at least you’re not supposed to) use Windows 7 and the Windows 10 license upgrade for it as a dual boot on the same PC.
Not really worried about using Windows 10 Home as opposed to Pro in this dual boot seeing as there doesn’t seem to be a great deal of difference between them any more – the option to defer updates in Pro is good as long as MS don’t decide to override it. And, I have Windows Update Blocker to (hopefully) stop updates in Home – it works for the W10 Home I have on my old laptop so far.
Edit: If anyone’s wondering why I don’t just install the Windows 7 Home Premium and Windows 10 Professional as a dual boot it is because I have 32GB of RAM in this PC and Windows 7 Home Premium can only use half of the RAM.
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Edit: If anyone’s wondering why I don’t just install the Windows 7 Home Premium and Windows 10 Professional as a dual boot it is because I have 32GB of RAM in this PC and Windows 7 Home Premium can only use half of the RAM.
You could create a big RAMDisk with the “surplus” RAM.
-lehnerus2000
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Nope, this is a home built system.
Have it running extremely well so far, no problems with the 7/10 dual boot (I remembered to turn off Fast Startup in Windows 10 after it was installed, of course).
Taking regular Macrium Reflect images along the way, just in case.
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This proves how unpopular Win 10 is = M$ can’t stop giving it away.
Imagine if M$ had similarly given out Win 7/8.x as a free upgrade to Win XP users in 2009/2012.
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“Whether it’s in YOUR best interests — that’s something you need to figure out for yourself.”
There was a time I was interested in what W10 had to offer… it could have been something I wanted, or maybe even, needed…
At this point, I don’t see it being in my best interest… and I have a decided lack of enthusiasm, brought on by features and updating drama that I just don’t want anything to do with.
Still have a family member who has kept his W10 going, but he was the only one who bought a new computer, with it on… and he doesn’t care about privacy, just gaming. Everyone else had problems brought on by updating… so Microsoft sort of abandoned them… if Microsoft really came up with something they want, and that actually works without a lot of need for support, well, their computers already have had W10 on it.
I have been downloading an ISO of each version, just in case someone needs help to reinstall… just being cautious, for the future… but at this point, I don’t know anyone going out and looking for it… sort of like looking for trouble, at this point.
Non-techy Win 10 Pro and Linux Mint experimenter
When Win 10 came out, I downloaded evaluation versions of Win 10 and Win 8.1. I liked 8.1 better. So, I bought a Win 8.0 disk, because there is no upgrade path from Win 7 to Win 8.1. After a couple of hours, the computer upgraded to 8.1 and now I’m all set until 2023. Classic Shell restored sanity to the start menu. Everything has been fine ever since. I made the move in 2016, because Win 8.0 was getting pretty old, so I didn’t want to try it in 2020.
The free upgrade was supposed to have ended the first time on July 29, 2016, but it was well known that the actual upgrade period kept going.
Then the unofficial free upgrade period was supposed to have ended in January, but it’s still going again.
Maybe the intent was for the free upgrade to be there indefinitely, but to keep having fake deadlines to instill a sense that “this free thing is not always gonna be around, so I had better get in on it now!”
Still, I will take a pass. The thing that’s so frustrating about Windows 10 is that it would be so easy for MS to turn it into an absolutely awesome OS if they wanted to. Making an OS is not easy, and they’ve already gotten all of the hard to do stuff done, and done well. Compared to the work of creating something like Windows in the first place, the things that keep it from being excellent are just a tiny step away, but it’s a very important tiny step.
If I were to advise Satya Nadella (hah, like he’d ever want to listen to the likes of me), I’d suggest Windows 10 home be made free (as in beer) if he wants to keep it all beta-testery and full of monetization. This means really free, as in no activation technology (since it would not be needed), freely downloadable by everyone, and no cost to OEMs (otherwise people really are paying for it when they buy a PC).
Win 10 Pro should be made into a real “pro” version again, with full control over updates restored and maximum configurability for power users and SOHOs. All apps, including Store and Cortana, should be removable via official means, and restorable via the “turn on or off Windows features” dialog (same place to restore or remove SMB1). There should be no things like how all Windows searches are now web searches… leave that kind of crass monetization to the freebie version. This version would never install anything like Candy Crush without being told to, and it would never have any ads of any kind. It would be a cost-added addition to OEM PCs as it is now, and a commercial product otherwise (also as it is now).
That would be a big improvement, but if they could combine this with a reduction in the pace of the feature updates (the more, the better) and an increase in the support period for older builds, that would be even better. If I were to use Windows 10, I would want to upgrade when I was convinced the new build was going to benefit me. I just upgraded three of my four Linux PCs (two are also dual boot Win 8.1) to Mint 19, not because Mint pushed me into it, but because I wanted some of the features of Mint 19 (faster Cinnamon, faster shutdown, fixed bug with Nemo that made icons frequently overlap when the align to grid option was enabled).
In sharp contrast to how MS handles updates, this is what the Mint upgrade page says:
Upgrade for a reason
“If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”.
Linux Mint 17, 17.1, 17.2 and 17.3 are supported until 2019 and Linux Mint 18, 18.1, 18.2 and 18.3 are supported until 2021.
You might want to upgrade to Linux Mint 19 because some bug is fixed or because you want to get some of the new features. In any case, you should know why you’re upgrading.
As excited as we are about Linux Mint 19, upgrading blindly for the sake of running the latest version does not make much sense, especially if you’re already happy and everything is working perfectly.
Make sure to read the release notes and to know about the new features so you have all the information you need before deciding whether you want to upgrade.
What a difference, eh? It’s almost like they’re concerned for what benefits the user more than anything else!
Of course, I know that as long as MS stock is up, Nadella is considered to be something of a deity, so I am not holding my breath. It’s like dreaming of winning the lottery… it’s not impossible, but you know it’s never going to happen just the same.
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You’ve described a great solution… Microsoft would still have plenty of unpaid beta-testers… and the people who need a decent operating system would get one.
I have to believe that such a simple path to a real upgrade was considered and discarded… and the reasons for that don’t say much about the values that Microsoft is striving for.
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Reading how Linux addresses potential upgraders: Wow! They talk to them like adults! People capable of evaluating the pros and cons and making a decision! People with real interests at stake of their own! Wow! I had forgotten what that is like, from a tech supplier.
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If you don’t want Windows 10 to install Candy Crush and all of the other ‘bloat’ just make sure your PC or laptop is not connected to the Internet when installing Windows 10. This even works with the Home Edition which I have on my laptop and I’ve just installed on the main PC.
I also turn off and remove all the live tiles from the Start menu and go through and change all of my privacy settings, etc. before allowing W10 to connect to the Internet. No sign of Candy Crush and all of the other ‘bloat’ even after using Windows Update.
If you have more than one account in Windows, make sure you’re disconnected from the Internet before signing into the other account(s) for the first time or those accounts will get Candy Crush, etc. even if the main Administrator account didn’t.
Edit: You still get things installed like Feedback Hub, XBox, Groove Music, Mobile Plans, etc. but these are easily removed (I use CCleaner).
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I’m waiting for Microsoft to pay me to upgrade, although on present form it’ll have to be a pretty decent offer.
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Perhaps Microsoft is allowing this (but not advertising it) because they are trying to generate some additional interest in Windows 10. They know that if someone “sneakily” does a free upgrade to Windows 10, they will think that they have “gotten over” on Microsoft and will therefore be enthusiastic about Windows 10.
I have “gotten over” on Microsoft twice now, once with a desktop, and again with a laptop.
But they will have to pry my last working copy of Win 7 Pro from my cold dead hands, LOL! 😀
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The fact that MS has not removed the free upgrade to W10 is a clear indication that they are very concerned about the W10 adoption rate. I think small and medium sized businesses are their main concern (not the enterprise). They make up a good chunk of the consumer base (having under 500 user/devices). They can grab a free upgrade to W10 if they wanted it right now but WaaS is not so great for them.
There is also going to be some consumers who will not be aware of the W7 EOL date (it always happens). MS will start a campaign probably in mid 2019 to alert/warn users of the dire consequences of staying on W7 past January 14, 2020.
The last quarter of 2019 is going to be manic. I’d not be surprised if Microsoft were to start a new GWX (and improved) campaign if a large percentage have not let W7 go by December 2019.
Some users even found a way to obtain free digital license on clean Windows 10 install without any upgrade or valid Win 7/8.1 license
Microsoft didn’t even bothered to update KMS protocol, which still the same one from Windows 8.1
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So this is the reason why the W10 market share had a minor increase last month! 😉
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After upgrading a Win7 Pro desktop to Win10 Pro for free, and also upgrading a Win8 Home laptop to Win10 Home for free, I would have to say that the upgrade to Pro is probably worth it for your main computer. I like using the group policy editor to keep it as locked down as I can. That has worked out well for me for 2 years. Nothing has gotten past me yet that I didn’t allow.
But my laptop is an accessory that I only use when traveling, and is not as critical to me, but I do try to keep it up to date. Since I left my laptop on the Win10 Home level, I need to use the ‘wushowhide’ and ‘metered network’ tricks to keep updates at bay, and that is a pain but works most of the time. You do need to be careful with that though, as something could slip by you.
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I just used Ed Bott’s discovery and upgrade my Win 10 home laptop to Win 10 Pro.
I used the old license key from my Win 7 Pro machine after it was upgraded to Win 10.
The whole process took only about 10 minutes. I now have two win 10 Pro machines and saved 100
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Thanks for the information, it sounds like the upgrade is working well for you, and that you do have things under control with the Windows Update problems.
I plan on keeping at least one reliable Windows 7 Pro computer around most likely long after the January 2020 EoL. But to be able to upgrade a Home to Pro Win 10 is an interesting idea to contemplate.
Good Luck.https://www.zdnet.com/article/going-pro-how-to-upgrade-windows-10-home-without-hassles/
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Remember that it’s in Microsoft’s best interests to get you off of Win7 or 81, and onto Win10. Whether it’s in YOUR best interests — that’s something you need to figure out for yourself.
How much will they pay me?
Since I fail to come up with just one reason to abandon my perfectly fine running Windows 7 install, I’ll need to know what they’ll pay me for my time and trouble…
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How much will they pay me?
Not enough.
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Thing is, slowly – apparently VERY slowly with Windows 10 – Microsoft and the whole 3rd party software industry will make it incrementally more and more painful to continue using Windows 8 and older.
A good example is Skype. They had a real winner with Skype version 7 – it wasn’t overly heavy on the system, and the Skype for Desktop version did actually work.
Now there’s Skype 8, and version 7 is going to be actively made to stop working in the next few months. Skype 8 contacts literally dozens – possibly even hundreds – of servers on the net, takes 4 times as much RAM to run in 4 times more processes, and doesn’t do the basic things, such as letting you know someone has sent you a chat message, as well as its predecessor. I have a top-end workstation running Windows 8.1 and it doesn’t bring my system to its knees but then I have 24 logical processors, a huge amount of RAM, and a very fast I/O subsystem. What will it do to a run-of-the-mill PC?
Also, with Microsoft actively making the documentation for programming for the older systems less and less available, what new applications can you hope to get for your older system?
Of course on this site we all know about the patching woes of modern times.
There are a lot of subtle things they’re doing that are adding up to the death of older Windows systems. So the question is (for each of us to answer for our own needs): What do we do next?
-Noel
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Thanks for the notification about Skype 8. I finally installed Skype earlier this year just to be caught up if necessary; I’m currently on 7.40.0.104. It took some searching but here’s Microsoft’s blog entry about the latest upgrade: https://blogs.skype.com/news/2018/07/16/upgrade-to-the-latest-version-of-skype-for-desktop/. Notice that they made the announcement about 2 weeks ago, & that there’s only 1 month left before Skype 7 is deactivated & only Skype 8 will work. Since I don’t actually use Skype, there’s no need for me to upgrade. It’s the Microsoft model that’s been in effect since 2016; when Windows 8 was cut off from support unless it was upgraded to Windows 8.1. Being part of the 3 people who actually liked Windows 8 & still like Win8.1, that wasn’t a problem because I still use the OS. As for Skype… no skin off my nose!
Bought a refurbished Windows 10 64-bit, currently updated to 22H2. Have broke the AC adapter cord going to the 8.1 machine, but before that, coaxed it into charging. Need to buy new adapter if wish to continue using it.
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Noel: in the end you will have to go Linux – with your requirements using windows vms.
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Thanks for your comments, Noel – informed and thoughtful as ever.
While it’s true that there may eventually be a conflict between our updated software and our older operating systems, that is in fact a two-sided argument in that there may also be a conflict between our older software and the newer operating system.
I don’t know, for example, how compatible Office 2010 is (or will remain) with Windows 10, but it meets my basic needs very well, running perfectly with Windows 7, and I have no desire to spend money updating Office, nor have I ever found the freeware versions very good.
As for the question “Where do we go next?” my own situation as a home user with 2 desktop Windows 7 machines (one with Office, one for gaming) is that I am continuing to muddle along with monthly WU (I’m hybrid Group A/B apparently) unless and until it becomes too problematic and I become part of Group W.
I expect to continue on this basis into next year when I will begin to think more seriously about my options come January 2020. My hunch is that at some point next year I will replace one of my machines with a new one which will therefore have Windows 10 pre-installed and I’ll see how I get on with it before deciding whether to upgrade the other machine to Windows 10 or stand my ground and continue with Windows 7 beyond the EOL. I suppose I’ll have to go onto Amazon and buy a book about Windows 10 then!
Switching to another OS isn’t practical for me, although 8.1 would give me a bit more time I suppose, but my guess is that once we pass the EOL date for 7 MS will turn their wrecking attention to 8.1.
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Funny you should mention Office…
When I upgraded to Win 8.1 from 7, back in 2013, I found Office 2003, which I had been using and liked very much, just didn’t run right. It’s not to say it was “incompatible”, but it was impossible to get a good user experience out of the Word editor running in Outlook for example. You might say it was “subtly incompatible” rather than overtly so.
At the time I tried Office 365. I used it for well over a year, and I could *NEVER* get to like it. It was like meeting up with a polar bear in a snow storm. It just irritated me like a thousand paper cuts. I think what finally pushed me over the edge to find a new old stock copy of Office 2010 was when I was trying to scroll through a book I was writing and even though I was hovering my mouse over the scroll bar and occasionally clicking, the scroll bar in Word 2013 or whatever it was would ultimately just deactivate. Office 2010 was, thankfully, able to be made to work very much like Office 2003, so I was again happy.
For decades we grew accustomed to change that was generally for the better. What’s so hard to take is that lately it’s been less and less for the better, and in some cases not it’s been for worse without any better in sight.
Microsoft took on a just-barely-possible decades-long development with their modernization of the NT design as Vista, which finally culminated in a VERY well-finished Windows 7. And look at their success as a result! Perhaps they think that success can only be followed by another decades-long development. Trouble is we could easily see the potential in Vista. I’m just not seeing it clearly in Windows 10.
-Noel
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One of my customers uses Office 365 Business Retail, and they got me a subscription to it. I really like it! One thing I discovered last night was how much they have improved Headers and Footers. Whenever you click the Headers / Footers button, you see three small text boxes at the bottom of the page, and three at the top. You simply pick a box and start typing. And it is very simple and straightforward to change the fonts, the size, the alignment, etc.
We use Office 2016 at my main job. Word 2016 doesn’t do headers/footers in this new way, but rather in the less-intuitive old way.
Another thing I really like about Office 365 Business Retail is that you can set up a common SharePoint folder for yourself and other users to share. And you have a OneDrive personal folder. And if you use the locally-installed Office programs, you can easily work with files which are on your hard drive.
I access Office 365 from Linux Mint, using either Opera or Firefox. As long as I don’t have my Script Blocker turned on, it works perfectly in either browser.
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@seff Office 2010 works quite well with Win10 all Vers. up to now. One good aspect with Win10 + Office 2010 is that setting the Net connection to metered doesnt result in a nag message when checking Email in Outlook like it does for Office 2016, never really got on with Office 2013 so really unable to shed any light on that.
As for Win8.1 Office 2010 works exceptionally well with no worries at all, alas I am forced reluctantly to agree that Win8.1 may well be the focus of unwanted neglect/or sloppy patching after Win7 EOL. As its, IMO, been flying under the Radar for quite a while and I would predict a mini surge of interest or a renaissance of Win8.1 after Win7 EOL. For those of us that still use it, its been our little secret, @Noel-carboni ‘s and a few others have some awesome tips on how to make Win8.1 look and feel like Win7. Classic Shell’s one of them I do believe. It just performs well and does as its supposed to, when its supposed to, I have said before only problem is KB3000850, but all the images are now release 3 on M$’s page so its no longer an issue.1 user thanked author for this post.
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I suggest you purchase whatever Windows 8.1 retail licenses you want now, rather than waiting till January 2020. You might not be able to purchase them at that time, just like you can’t purchase Windows 7 retail licenses any more at this time.
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It really depends what do you need or are forced to use. I remember the whole fuss with DX12 when Windows 10 came out. “You need to upgrade to W10 to be able to play newest games!” . And, of course, all of a sudden MS games needed DX12 to work. The thing is, 3 years later, 99% of games from 3rd party developers are still done for DX11, not to shrink their potential customers base.
If you’re stuck in MS ecosystem (like Office, Skype, Internet Explorer etc.), then you’ll probably be forced to use W10 at some point. The solution is to use independent software to be flexible.
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I must admit, updating my hardware systems to run Win 10 is tempting – but it’s still too expensive.
IMO Windows 8.1 still rules when it comes to supporting serious, reliable computing on a high quality desktop system.
-Noel
Oh..
Unleashed to the public on the 29th July 2015, the first final version of Windows 10 that now makes it age-wise, beyond the ‘terrible threes’. Windows 10, a famously FREE upgrade for Windows 7 and Windows 8 users that lasted through to July 29th 2016 by design (and still on offer LOL)
So in a broad Irish accent, I would like to wish Microsoft Windows 10 a ‘happy turd birthday!’ 🙂
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Beware! The cake is a lie!
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Windows 10 turns 3 years old today. Send it a baby pacifier for its birthday, it still sucks.
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I get that some people have no choice because of microsoft’s monopoly.
but for me I’m seriously looking at alternatives rather than go anywhere near the adware, bloatware and spyware unstable mess that is win 10.
Trying to decided if using Linux Mint as my main online OS and keeping an offline copy of 7 for games will work for me.
Kind of helps that I can’t stand online gaming 🙂
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On related matter, Microsoft seems so insistent towards Server 2008/2008 R2 users
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4456235/end-of-support-for-windows-server-2008-and-windows-server-2008-r2only 17 months ahead notice 😉
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Yep, still works. Just updated my other rig from Win 7 to Win 10. Bonus points for my Win 7 install on that rig being cracked/validated by using Daz’s loader – I didn’t pay a cent for it. The upgrade didn’t even flinch at the blatant piracy I was trying out. I suppose they’re just desperate.
Anyway, then I reverted to the disc image I made just before starting the “upgrade”. Linux before Win 10, I say!
Group B for WIN7 w/ ESU, plus trying out Linux builds in dual boot.
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