Google Chrome won’t be allowed on Windows 10 S

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If you haven’t read Ed Bott’s latest ZDNet article, and you’re even remotely interested in Win10 S, hurry over there and absorb it. The approach — fo
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Just imagine how many will buy the premium Surface Laptop only to find out they cannot install Chrome or iTunes, or Firefox or many other applications. Yes, clearly Microsoft has tried to address this with a free Windows Pro 10 upgrade. But how many really want to have to go through a upgrade just to run Chrome? But at least its free right? Well eventually users will have to pay $50 for the upgrade. Can you imagine spending over a grand and still have to pay $50 for a upgrade? I will never understand why Microsoft chose 10S as the default OS version and not offer Home or Pro as a default option. Other than Microsoft decided that ramming Edge, Bing and Cortana down every users throat is worth it.

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I will never understand why Microsoft chose 10S as the default OS version and not offer Home or Pro as a default option. Other than Microsoft decided that ramming Edge, Bing and Cortana down every users throat is worth it.

It seems pretty clear to me that someone at Microsoft has decreed, “We shall leave Win32 behind!” and they are marching to those orders literally for years. I guess we should be impressed when any company has a multi-year plan…

You’d think they’d want to have something better in hand though – even just a design for something better, not just Marketing BS – before doing this, but I guess moving to something new doesn’t require a corporation to be conservative when they’re already filthy rich and feel they control the world. They (and Wall Street) even probably imagine it as a “bold” move.

-Noel

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Well, if Microsoft insists on shooting itself, who are we to argue? Please go ahead, Microsoft.

I wonder who on earth will buy that expensive Surface laptop that runs Windows 10 S.

Hope for the best. Prepare for the worst.

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Elly, Rock

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Why can’t they just provide a welcoming and supportive OS that encourages other developers to make software to run on it. You know, like how they use to, how they were able to form an effective OS monopoly because people wanted to use it. Now they seem to be jealous of the ~3.2% of MAC OS and h**l bent on being like them, even if it means casting aside their roughly 91% OS market share for potential growth.

 

Sad really.

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I expect the EU will have something to say about this before too long, and this decision will be reversed.

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Windows 10 S = Win RT retread. Not suitable for business applications or networks. I may start calling this Win Version Win 10 $ because everyone stuck with it will want to upgrade to Pro.

Schools wanting not to be running Apple or Google will not go for this. Hardware is still priced too high for the Cloud OS which runs on it. Windows Store Apps = (unprintable) is still = True. Conclusion — marketplace failure very likely.

If schools want to run something more localized, more offline or more desktop than ChromeBook, Ubuntu Linux is the obvious choice.

Kids will learn Apple, Google and Microsoft on their own, as well as Android and iOS. But they will be able to do some serious programming and hacking with Linux right away. That’s a winner, even though the present US education system does not get tech well enough to implement this.

-- rc primak

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Quoting Ed Bott’s article; …

Likewise, you can’t install a third-party browser on a Chromebook, which is restricted to the Chrome browser.

This is not true. Since early 2017, many Chromebooks can install Android apps from Google Play Store, eg the Firefox and Puffin browsers, as per …
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/how-to-install-android-apps-on-a-chromebook/

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HiFlyer

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Windows 10 S? What’s Windows 10 S? I’ve never heard of it.

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Windows 10 S is to compete with Chromebooks and Chromeboxes.  That is it.  Microsoft is losing greatly in schools where hundreds of Chromebooks are being purchased and fewer and fewer Windows computers.  Windows requires far more maintenance.  Do you know how long it takes to run Windows updates on an entire cart of 30 Windows laptops every month?  All the Chromebooks needs to update are a restart which takes seconds.  The laptops need 15 -30 minutes each.  I won’t even mention how long it takes to install the Windows 10 version semiannually per laptop.  Microsoft is just making Chromebook clone for schools, complete with identical management license pricing.  Personally, I think Microsoft is years late here and would only have a chance with late school district adopters.  I don’t see districts with deep investments in Chrome devices changing now.

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That makes sense. Windows has more competition now.

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On top of that, M$ give out Win 10 Education Volume Licenses to schools and colleges for free.
Problem for M$ is, Google also give out ChromeOS to schools, colleges and consumers for free. When it comes to equal competition, M$ often lose out, eg Win 10 Mobile losing out to Android.

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Well Win10-S is just the latest t**d in the steaming pile that is Windows 10.  MS is batting .000 in the courts with the “you have to use our browsers” horse hockey.  They will get sued again multiple times, the EU will threaten them with an import ban, MS will p**s off a coulple of million people and spend umpteen millions of dollars in count costs just to eventually be forced to roll over.  They will never learn.

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Just today there was this:

Microsoft: 500M Windows 10 devices, half of 2018 goal

SEATTLE (AP) — Microsoft’s CEO Satya Nadella says a half billion devices are now running Windows 10, its latest operating system. That’s up from 400 million disclosed last September, but far short of a goal of 1 billion by 2018.

Five days ago there was also this:

Windows 10 now has over 300 million daily active users

Microsoft’s CVP of Windows of Devices Group Yusuf Medhi just shared a more accurate metric in a recent interview with Bloomberg Tech:

“Windows 10 has been doing great. It’s been many months since we reported we had over 400 million monthly active users. 300 million+ use it every day for 3 and a half hours. It’s the fastest adoption in corporation we’ve ever seen, and we’re seeing great deployment on that. We couldn’t be more thrilled with the progress on Windows.”

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Why am I not surprised? long memory perhaps the old Netscape/IE Browser wars of the 90’s. This is another M$ debacle in the making. You have to wonder if Redmond actually learns from History.
Win10 S ver is undoubtedly a portent of things to come, Win10S today, Win10 (all) tommorrow. That was plain to see right from Winver. 1507.
Giving the younger generation a choice of Browser would be in my opinion make these, not so cheap, machines a good working tool rather than the drudgery of a machine that basically doesent do an awful lot and is saddled with a featureless browser. It will undoubtedly do little to stem the flow from trad. desktop style OS’s to the “infernal smart Phone”.
So “living on the Edge” (in the words of the song) we are now nearly 2 years in to it what does it do? well really not much more than the first incarnation. Still lacks a “refresh” option (in fact needed this Morning, back to IE11 to do the job), the latest 1703 now actually imports Favourites in to the menu, rather than create a folder with them all in. But the Favicons are merely a suggestion. In a market aimed at the young and some “oldies” too they provide a useful quick visual reference for seeking the page you want.

as you can see easy to find and easy to stretch if you want the notes to go with it.

As you can see the “Favicons” dont really import to well, yes there is a way to get them back but if you have north of 200 web sites in your favourites are you really going to open every one of them? Also I can see the Edge Browser has a distinct affinity with Gunter Born’s web site (somthing you want to tell us about your excellent web site there Gunter?)

Theres always a distinct possibility that some one will find a way round this block but really if they want to sell this product they really going to have to work on Edge or at the very least relent on the Browser policy, lest they get caught on wrong side of the Browser wars this time. They may have won the last one its doubtful whether they will win this one

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BobbyB wrote:

Why am I not surprised? long memory perhaps the old Netscape/IE Browser wars of the 90’s. This is another M$ debacle in the making. You have to wonder if Redmond actually learns from History.

As I recall, in the browser wars of the 90s Microsoft totally defeated Netscape. How was that a Microsoft debacle?

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well insofar it was a real debacle for users, if you got a good installation of Netscape it was an awsome browser but for some reason it never really installed to well on any machine that I owned then. Was there some “dirty tricks” going on at the same time on M$’s behalf? I am just trying to recall. There was a lot of “too-ing & fro-ing” in the Propaganda wars between the two of them.
Strange really other machines used to work well with Netscape just never mine at the time, and in that respect it was a good Browser when it worked and fast too

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Just read too that if your a browser developer like Google with Chrome. If you do want to create a app for your browser you will have to use the Edge engine to do so. Doesn’t this sound a lot like Apple and IOS requiring browsers to use Safari engine for their browser. At least with Safari you have a decent engine setup to work with, a mucked over Trident engine that Edge uses has not impressed me in Edge let alone running say a Chrome browser. I just do not see Google going to the effort.

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