Getting ready for 22H2

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I’ll be going into more detail next week about the steps I want you to take to get your machine ready for 22H2. There are two tasks for this weekend I
[See the full post at: Getting ready for 22H2]

Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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We downloaded and saved the Windows 10 installation media just over a year ago.

Do we need to download the software again or is the year-old download still good?

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The current version up there will have patches through July.  (or should, I should double check)

Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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The current version up there will have patches through July. (or should, I should double check)

both should’s would be helpful, Windows 10 and 11

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I have been saving ISO copies for a while. Comparing the version I downloaded on 12/30/2021 (19041.1288) to the one I downloaded this morning (08/28/2022 1030ET), they are the same. Am I missing something?
<h6>
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PS C:\WINDOWS\system32> dism /Get-WimInfo /WimFile:G:\sources\install.esd /index:1</h6>
<h6>Deployment Image Servicing and Management tool
Version: 10.0.19041.844</h6>
<h6>Details for image : G:\sources\install.esd</h6>
<h6>Index : 1
Name : Windows 10 Home
Description : Windows 10 Home
Size : 14,826,317,709 bytes
WIM Bootable : No
Architecture : x64
Hal :
Version : 10.0.19041
ServicePack Build : 1288
ServicePack Level : 0
Edition : Core
Installation : Client
ProductType : WinNT
ProductSuite : Terminal Server
System Root : WINDOWS
Directories : 26592
Files : 98251
Created : 10/06/2021 – 10:09:22
Modified : 08/28/2022 – 10:14:39
Languages :
en-US (Default)</h6>
<h6>The operation completed successfully.
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I’ve been a big admirer of Steve Gibson since I got my first computer over 20 years ago, but I find his current recommendations regarding InControl to be a bit perturbing and I think I will ignore his advice for the first time. I’m no “Microsoft can do no wrong” sort of person but creating three new Registry keys for Windows 10 Pro because Steve Gibson says that is absolutely necessary to stop Microsoft from forcing Windows 11 as an upgrade seems paranoid. I have set the AVAILABLE keys already to stop Microsoft from forcing an update to a new version of Windows before I am ready and that should be sufficient. InControl acknowledges I have correctly set the three available keys to stop Microsoft but says I ALSO need three brand new keys to ensure that Microsoft is stopped.

Has Gibson made his case for readers here? Is everyone else going to follow his advice?

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Steve has made the control of upgrades easy with InControl.
I use all his utilities without a second thought because they are simple, easy, well thought out and work – and you can back out the changes in 2 seconds.

cheers, Paul

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Has Gibson made his case for readers here? Is everyone else going to follow his advice?

For this reader both answers are NO. I also have used Steve Gibson’s utilities for more than 20 years but will pass on “InControl” for the reasons you give. I tried it, got the “partial control” warning, read the technical details, confirmed my registry settings, and then deleted the utility.

I am locked in at 21H2 using GPO and don’t feel the extra keys are necessary.

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I was just going to post very similar thoughts. This is a suprise. I have all my settings in GPEDIT. So why make new ones?

 

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Before upgrade, check your device maker’s website NO MATTER WHAT THE UPGRADE TOOL SAYS. They should have a list of Windows 11 supported models. The key word is ‘support’. If your manufacturer does not support your model, you are left relying on MS supplied generic drivers.

For example, my Inspiron 5379 is not listed here. It passes every upgrade tool test. Dell advise they are not supporting the model with Windows 11 driver or BIOS updates.

Group A (but Telemetry disabled Tasks and Registry)
1) Dell Inspiron with Win 11 64 Home permanently in dock due to "sorry spares no longer made".
2) Dell Inspiron with Win 11 64 Home (substantial discount with Pro version available only at full price)

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Mele20

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It would be very helpful if you would say which 22H2 you are talking about.

There are those of us who through no fault of our own (for example, by purchasing a new computer) are running Windows 11.

Thank you.

PP

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SteveTree wrote:

If your manufacturer does not support your model, you are left relying on MS supplied generic drivers.

Thanks. I double checked and my XPS 8930 IS supported. That’s a good suggestion as folks do need to know if their manufacturer has drivers, etc. to support an upgrade or not.

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Windows 10 or Windows 11 operating system latest version download links:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows11

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Mele20 wrote:

creating three new Registry keys for Windows 10 Pro

If you run Windows 10 Pro you don’t need InControl which more suitable for home users taking the pain of registry edits.
Pro users just need to use GPEdit to set ‘notify…’ = 2 and TRV.

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Alex5723 wrote:

Mele20 wrote:

creating three new Registry keys for Windows 10 Pro

If you run Windows 10 Pro you don’t need InControl which more suitable for home users taking the pain of registry edits.
Pro users just need to use GPEdit to set ‘notify…’ = 2 and TRV.

Can you be more specific please?
Much obliged etc

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For the benefit of Home and Pro users visit AKB-6000003 for a sanity checkover.

If debian is good enough for NASA...

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Oh wow, reg files for all my needs! Thank you so much, I do like to keep life simple with my W10 Home laptop. (Got GPedit on the desktop).

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…my W10 Home laptop. (Got GPedit on the desktop).

However, although you may have GPEdit on the desktop, it won’t work in the Home edition for many of the settings contained within, as it was designed for use on the Pro or Enterprise editions of Windows.

That has been illustrated/pointed out numerous times here on AskWoody by various MVPs/Managers.

Although GPEdit might launch and look like it’s changing a value that you want changed, that value within the registry isn’t actually being changed in many cases. THAT’S why those with Windows 7, 8/8.1, 10, and 11 Home editions have been told to use the registry modification files or to go into a certain registry location(s) and make the modification(s) themselves.

If you’ve made modifications within GPEdit for Windows updates, you might want to go to the corresponding locations within the registry, using the AKBs (6000003 and 2000016) as a guide of just which registry locations to look into for the settings that you’ve changed within GPEdit, to make sure that they’ve been actually changed.

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the desktop is the other computer

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Bob99

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D’Oh! I guess I kinda overthunk the response! 😳🥴

I get it now, though, that the Desktop has Pro, but the laptop has Home, and the reg files will be used for the laptop.  😉

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PKCano

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………….which is exactly why I am so grateful for the reg files!

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Microfix, PKCano

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If we have to recover a PC which is better:

• Using Windows 10 installation media or
• The recovery media supplied by the computer’s manufacturer?

In the past, we have used HP’s recovery media because in addition to Windows 10 Pro it installs the drivers that were installed on the machine when it was delivered.

Once initial recovery was completed it was simply a matter of allowing Microsoft to update Windows 10 and HP to download and install any updated drivers.

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Cybertooth

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Recovery via backup image is always my preferred option. You should have several.
Recovery via manufacturer if you want to go back to scratch.

cheers, Paul

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Microfix, RetiredGeek, Kathy Stevens

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We agree:

• We clone our C drives on external drives monthly just prior to running Windows 10 updates,
• Backup to D drives using Acronis True Image for Western Digital at 5:30 PM each day,
• Backup to external drives using Acronis True Image for Western Digital every Friday afternoon,
• Copy all data files to a separate external drive once a week using File Explorer, and
• Export our Outlook calendar and contacts files to external drives weekly in the PST format.

As a last resort we recover our systems using HP’s recovery media, update Windows 10 and Drivers, reinstall appropriate software, and recover data and Outlook data files from backups on external drives.

But before doing all that, we attempt to recover our systems using Windows 10 System Restore.

If our HP workstations fail to boot, HP’s recovery software kicks in and gives us multiple options for recovery including, but not limited to, recovering from a restore point.

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Kathy Stevens wrote:

As a last resort we recover our systems using HP’s recovery media, update Windows 10 and Drivers, reinstall appropriate software, and recover data and Outlook data files from backups on external drives.

How long does it take to go “the last resort” route?

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greekdom

It has been over a year since we had to recover one of our desktops using HP’s recovery media.

As I recall, it took the better part of a day.

But then again, most of the time the computer was running unattended while we were using one of our standby workstations.

The recovery involved:

1. Obtaining and installing a new SSD;
2. Booting the computer using the recovery media and going through the operating system recovery – about one hour;
3. Running HP’s Support Assistant to update system drivers – about one-half hour,
4. Running Intel’s Driver & Support Assistant to get driver and software updates not installed using HP’s Support Assistant – less than one-half hour,
5. Checking for updated software for our Video graphics card – less than a half hour;
6. Running Windows update – a couple of hours;
7. Installing and updating key system software (Microsoft Office, ESRI mapping, MATLAB, Dragon Professional, Firefox, etc.) – several hours;
8. Recovering data files from external drives – several hours;
9. Connecting Outlook with our email service provider’s servers and downloading email – one-half hour;
10. Recovering Outlook calendar and contacts from an external drive – several minutes;
11. Tweaking the operating system – an hour.

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Fred wrote:

Alex5723 wrote:

Mele20 wrote:

creating three new Registry keys for Windows 10 Pro

If you run Windows 10 Pro you don’t need InControl which more suitable for home users taking the pain of registry edits.
Pro users just need to use GPEdit to set ‘notify…’ = 2 and TRV.

Can you be more specific please?
Much obliged etc

In in Windows Pro GPEdit you should set ‘notify don’t download..’ =2 so you get notified about new updates with out downloading until you decide otherwise.

You set TRV (TargetReleaseVesion) to the version you want to stay on or the version you want update to. This can also be set with registry updates using InControl or .reg files (AKB-6000003).
Home users have no options but to use InControl or .reg files.

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Wouldn’t this have all been easier and more clear if SB’s original post said:

“Firstly (if you are using Windows 10 HOME) use the Incontrol tool to ensure that your feature release is set to be on 21H2. Run the tool and ensure you have your machine set to install 21H2 and nothing more than that at this time.”

Or at least a better explanation that PRO users who modified GP do not need to do this.

I downloaded, ran, questioned, found this topic, posted – all unnecessary. Will now delete my subscritption to this topic.

~Bob

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“Firstly use the Incontrol tool to ensure that your feature release is set to be on 21H2. Run the tool and ensure you have your machine set to install 21H2 and nothing more than that at this time.”

Susan, Can we accomplish the same thing with Wushowhide (and Stopupdates1), e.g.,  use the to install 22H2 only when you say so?

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This ensures that you aren’t even offered the later release.

Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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Susan, now I’m really confused. Do we want to install 22H2 or not?

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Eventually, but not immediately after the release of 22H2. It’s better to wait a while to be sure the bugs have been ironed out before leaping forward. This is the same philosophy applied to monthly updates – wait a little while and see what transpires.

Susan will let us know when the time is right to upgrade.

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You don’t. I want you to make sure you don’t get it on day one.

Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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Alex5723 wrote:

Mele20 wrote:

creating three new Registry keys for Windows 10 Pro

If you run Windows 10 Pro you don’t need InControl which more suitable for home users taking the pain of registry edits.
Pro users just need to use GPEdit to set ‘notify…’ = 2 and TRV.

I had problems with that some time ago so I switched to using Sergey’s WinAereo Tweaker. Plus, Windows 10 Pro, about two years ago, stopped allowing Defender Updates UNLESS Windows Updates was turned ON ALWAYS. My Windows 8.0 Pro (NOT 8.1) never has had this problem and it automatically updates the definitions about every 24 hours with Windows Updates disabled. I tried a lot of things to fix the change in Windows 10 behavior and finally concluded that this was deliberate from Microsoft and I couldn’t fix it.

So, I just got in the habit of opening WinAero Tweaker when I first get on the computer (which runs 24/7/365) in the morning and unchecking the box for the setting that disables Windows Updates. Then I immediately click on Windows Defender Security Center on the taskbar and click Check for Updates, allow the update to install, and then reenter the check mark to disable Windows Updates in Tweaker. I was hoping that the latest update to Tweaker would fix this problem but it didn’t.

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Kathy Stevens wrote:

If our HP workstations fail to boot, HP’s recovery software kicks in and gives us multiple options for recovery including, but not limited to, recovering from a restore point.

If you are so familiar with these procedures you might ask yourself WHY. Unless you are dealing with hundreds of computers. Something seems amiss. JM2Cents

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cyberSAR

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wavy

Yes, we are dealing with a large number of computers.

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wavy

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