Nine months and counting befor the end of support (but not end of using) Windows 10. We also have a zero day that Apple released yesterday. The update
[See the full post at: February 2025 updates are upon us]
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February 2025 updates are upon us
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W10 22H2 … Feb CU … KB5051974 / SSU / MSRT … OS Build shows 19045.5487 …
10-15 min from WuMgr Dnload to Updated working desktop.
W10 Pro 22H2 / Hm-Stdnt Ofce '16 C2R / Macrium Pd vX / GP=2 + FtrU=Semi-Annual + Feature Defer = 1 + QU = 0
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Hi, lmacri… No sign of Outlook either in Con Panel Programs-Features Apps List OR Installed Updates Or Start list. I only knew of Outlook as part of a Full Office Pkg & my ’16 Stdnt-Home Office omits Outlook. AS WU installs mount watch for articles on the topic.
W10 Pro 22H2 / Hm-Stdnt Ofce '16 C2R / Macrium Pd vX / GP=2 + FtrU=Semi-Annual + Feature Defer = 1 + QU = 0
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Hardened Windows user:
A side updates:KB5051989 Cumulative Update for Windows 11 Version 23H2 for x64-based Systems
KB5052978 .NET 8.0.13 Update for x64 Client
KB890830 Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool x64 – v5.132No hiccups.
Now running Windows 11 Pro Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.4890). I’ll wait for the push on my NAS and E5420.
B side updates:
KB5051987 Cumulative Update for Windows 11 Version 24H2 for x64-based Systems
KB890830 Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool x64 – v5.132No hiccups.
Now running Windows 11 Pro Version 24H2 (OS Build 26100.3194).
I’ll wait for the push for my NAS and laptop.
Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems; we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.We were all once "Average Users".1 user thanked author for this post.
Installed the February CU in a test VM. While the update installed successfully I did notice an unexpected outcome. I had previously installed the registry update to prevent new Outlook from installing. Upon checking the results of the update I saw that there appeared to be a stub installed for new Outlook –
And the registry value for the UScheduler_Oobe key had been deleted –
I’m going to uninstall the stub and restore the deleted value. Hopefully it won’t reinstall.3 users thanked author for this post.
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Now that you’ve vanquished it,
It doesn’t look vanquished to me. The folders and files installed under C:\Program Files\WindowsApps are still there and Powershell reports –
I tried to deprovision it but the command did nothing.
How do I get rid of this thing?
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Updated my “Canary” non-hardware complaint system to the latest version of 24H2.
I had previously uninstalled Outlook (New) it did NOT reappear. I do have Office 365 “Classic” installed.
Funny, that popup is new, it doesn’t show up on my fully complaint main driver. It will be interesting to see if it does when I finally update.
That’s 2 wks. off as we’re going on a trip tomorrow.
Updated x3 Windows 11 Pro 23H2:
Two installations of Win11 Pro on ARM in Parallels 20 VMs on Apple Silicon Macs, one Win11 Pro hardware install on a low-end HP desktop.2025-02 CU KB5051989 for Win11 23H2
Defender updates
MSRT (N/A for Windows 11 on ARM)Observations:
+ All three updates proceeded without problems.
+ No Outlook (new) anywhere
+ The WinRE Build was updated from 22631.4742 -> 22631.4890.1 user thanked author for this post.
Updated x3 Windows 10 Pro 22H2:
Win10 Pro in Parallels 20 VM on 2017 iMac4K (Intel Haswell i7)
Win10 Pro in Parallels 18 VM on 2012 MacBook Pro (Intel Ivy Bridge i7)
Win10 Pro hardware install on old Dell Studio XPS 1340 laptop2025-02 CU KB5051974 for Win10 22H2
Defender updates
MSRTObservations:
+ The updates installed on all machines with no problems.
+ The WinRE partitions on all three machines remained at 5363.
+ Used the Registry setting to block Outlook (new) – no Outlook on any machine and the registry entry is still there. String value of BlockedOobeUpdaters = [“MS_OUTLOOK”]Just clarifying that my question in post # 2747522 about the possible inclusion of the “new” Outlook PWA with the Feb 2025 Patch Tuesday updates was addressed to users like CraigS26 who have a Windows 10 OS, per the 10-Jan-2025 Neowin article Microsoft to force-install New Outlook on Windows 10, shares PowerShell/Registry workaround which states in part:
“New Outlook for Windows will be automatically installed on Windows 10 devices as part of …the monthly security update release for Windows 10 on February 11, 2025 “
The “new” Outlook is a PWA / Microsoft Store app so it would be installed in the hidden C:\Program Files\WindowsApps folder and listed in Settings | Apps | Apps & Features (i.e., not at Control Panel | Programs | Programs and Features).
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https://devblogs.microsoft.com/dotnet/dotnet-and-dotnet-framework-february-2025-servicing-updates/
Just a fyi no new .net updates other than ones for .net 8 and .net 9
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Further to my post at #2747672 I saw that the account was S-1-5-18 which is the SYSTEM account. So I used psexec to start Powershell running as SYSTEM. Even that was unable to use Get-AppxPackage / Remove-AppxPackage to get rid of new Outlook. The command appeared to succeed. “Deployment Initialized” flashed across the screen.
But the darn thing won’t go away!
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The bug was introduced in January and is now fixed in the February updates.
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I figured out how to remove new Outlook from my test VM.
I again used psexec to start powershell running as SYSTEM. Even though Get-AppxPackage had previously indicated that the package was only staged for S-1-5-18 I added “-allusers” for Get-AppxPackage and Remove-AppxPackage. The command completed and I went back to see if the package was removed from C:\Program Files\WindowsApps. This time it was gone.
I ensured that the registry entry to block installation had been restored to the correct value.
Finally, for the time being, VICTORY!
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Just clarifying that my question in post # 2747522 about the possible inclusion of the “new” Outlook PWA with the Feb 2025 Patch Tuesday updates was addressed to users like CraigS26 who have a Windows 10 OS
Just updated two Windows 10 22H2 PC’s with February CU KB5051974 and the new Outlook was not installed on either one!
There’s no Microsoft.OutlookForWindows app package in C:\Program Files\WindowsApps on either PC, Powershell Get-AppxPackage doesn’t show a OutlookForWindows app and the registry value that blocks the new Outlook is still there.
So @EricB, since there’s now three Windows 10 22H2 PC’s that didn’t get the new Outlook (me and @CraigS26), it “appears” @Bob99’s suggestion might be right.
maybe installing the monthly update in a test VM affected the outcome somehow??
I have Outlook 2021 and Windows 10 22H2. The new Outlook installed on my computer a couple of weeks ago. I’ve been ignoring the new Outlook and continuing to use the old version, but it looks like a lot of people are trying to remove the new Outlook. I’m wondering if there is any harm in me leaving the new Outlook where it is. I asked Google’s AI whether I can continue to use the old one, and here is the introductory portion of what it said: Yes, you can currently continue to use the “old Outlook” (also called “classic Outlook”) alongside the new Outlook, and according to Microsoft, it will be supported until at least 2029; meaning you have several years to continue using your preferred version without any disruption to functionality…
So is there any harm in just leaving everything the way it is?
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Hi L95:
No, there’s no harm in leaving the “new” Outlook for Windows PWA on your system. If you aren’t going to use it, however, it’s just extra bloat on your system that many users don’t want.
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Hi WCHS:
Further to Drcard:))’s post # 2748196:
1) Why are AskWoody users using the registry code to block it in advance of the February patches?
In my case, I use the full-featured “classic” Outlook that comes with my Microsoft Office Home and Business C2R 2019, so why install more bloat on my system if I’m never going to use “new” Microsoft Office for Windows PWA?
2) If I let the February patches do their thing, I will have this new Outlook (new). If I find that it isn’t working like the previous Outlook (new), can I then run the registry code to block this new Outlook (new) from future patches? (or is the horse already out of the barn?)
Your MS Office Home and Student suites come with Word, Excel, and PowerPoint, but not the “classic” Outlook that comes with Microsoft 365 and/or some other perpetual MS Office editions like Microsoft Office Professional and Microsoft Office Home and Business.
The “new” Office for Windows PWA (progressive web app) will not be force-installed on your Win 10 machines this month if it is already installed. Since you’re already using the “new” Office for Windows PWA that replaces the old Mail and Calendar app the forced install that comes with this month’s KB5051974 does not apply to you.
3) If I find that it’s not working and I decide that I’m done with Outlook (new) in any shape or form entirely, is there some way that I can remove it and be rid of it forever?
Yes, as Drcard:)) said, in future if you want to remove the “new” Microsoft Office for Windows PWA and use a third-party application like Thunderbird or eM Client instead you can uninstall it by launching Windows PowerShell with Administrator rights and entering the PowerShell command below (see the AskVG instructions at How to Block and Remove New Outlook App in Windows 10 and 11) and then apply the registry block in Susan Bradley’s 7000002 Blocking new Outlook from installing to prevent it from being reinstalled.
Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -AllUsers -Online -PackageName (Get-AppxPackage Microsoft.OutlookForWindows).PackageFullName
I feel like I need a basic primer on Outlook to understand from the get-go just what THIS February Outlook (new) is and how it is different from past Outlook (new)s
See the MS support article Getting started with the new Outlook for Windows.
If you’re already using the “new” Office for Windows PWA (and you’ve kept it up-to-date via automatic Microsoft Store updates to ensure you have the latest features) then you don’t have to worry about a forced install of the same PWA with your Feb 2025 Patch Tuesday updates.
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I think at one time I could go back to Mail and Calendar (is that what Outlook (classic) is – the old Mail and Calendar? – from what I can tell, the two names seem to be referring to the same thing). Now that Mail and Calendar (aka Outlook (classic)?) has not been an option for some time
Hi WCHS:
My Feb 2025 Patch Tuesday updates installed on my Win 10 machine yesterday and if I scroll to “O” in my Start menu I currently see two shortcuts for Outlook now – one for the “classic” full-featured Outlook that came with my MS Office 2019 suite and one for the “new” Outlook for Windows PWA / progressive web app installed in Feb 2025 (since I didn’t add the registry block in Susan Bradley’s 7000002 Blocking new Outlook from installing to prevent it from being installed). I haven’t decided yet what I’m going to do with this new PWA.
I haven’t removed the old (now unsupported) Mail and Calendar UWP app yet, so if I scroll to “C” I see a shortcut for Calendar, and if I scroll to “M” I see a shortcut for Mail. AFAIK, Mail and Calendar is actually a single UWP app – if I go to Settings | Apps | Apps and Features it’s listed as Mail and Calendar, and if I launch Windows PowerShell with Administrator rights and enter the command below I believe the “short” name is Microsoft.windowscommunicationsapps (see attached images).
Get-AppxPackage | ft name, PackageFullName -AutoSize
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I haven’t removed the old (now unsupported) Mail and Calendar UWP app yet, so if I scroll to “C” I see a shortcut for Calendar, and if I scroll to “M” I see a shortcut for Mail. AFAIK, Mail and Calendar is actually a single UWP app…
Just an FYI that I removed the unsupported Mail and Calendar app (microsoft.windowscommunicationsapps) for all users from my Win 10 machine and can confirm this removed both the Calendar shortcut and Mail shortcut from the list of programs in my Start menu. I also removed the unsupported People app (Microsoft.People) for all users, and none of this has affected the integrated calendar or contacts list used by my “classic” Outlook 2019 mail client.
NOTE: If you use(d) these old apps and plan to switch to the “new” Outlook for Windows PWA (progressive web app) make sure you’ve transferred your data over to “new” Outlook for Windows first as instructed in the MS support article Export Emails and Contacts from Windows Mail or People and Import to New Outlook before you uninstall Mail and Calendar and/or People.
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May I ask what commands you used to rid those pesky apps from All users?
Hi Deo:
I’m not a PowerShell expert so the approach I take to removing Windows UWP / Microsoft Store apps is probably quite different from most of the AskWoody MVPs. As a general rule I uninstall my UWP apps from the “Windows Apps” tab of Revo Uninstaller Free and allow this utility to remove any stray registry entries or files it can find after the initial removal is finished, and this generally does a good job of removing any traces of the app from Settings | Apps | Apps and Features and my Start menu, which is my main concern.
After uninstalling with Revo Uninstaller Free I sometimes use the Appxs feature of the portable Dism++ utility [both the User Appx and Provisioned Appx tabs – see geekdom’s 27-Apr-2023 image and instructions in my topic Can’t Remove Remnants of Some Old UWP (Microsoft Store) Apps] to remove any last remnants, if detected.
If I recall correctly a final check with TreeSize Free showed there were still a few traces of the Mail and Calendar and People apps in the hidden C:\Program Data\WindowsApps folder after I ran Revo Uninstaller Free and Dism++ so I did a final cleanup by running the following commands in an elevated PowerShell console with Administrator rights.
Get-AppxPackage -AllUsers -PackageTypeFilter Bundle -name "*microsoft.windowscommunicationsapps*" | Remove-AppxPackage -AllUsers
Get-AppxPackage -AllUsers -PackageTypeFilter Bundle -name "*Microsoft.People*" | Remove-AppxPackage -AllUsers
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NOTE: Before starting the uninstalls I ran the following commands in an elevated PowerShell console with Administrator rights to create .txt files on my desktop that displayed lists of all my installed apps (installed as part of the OS) and provisioned apps (built-in apps automatically added the first time you sign in with a new user account).
Get-AppxPackage -AllUsers | Select Name, PackageFullName >"$env:userprofile\Desktop\Apps_List_All.txt"
Get-AppxProvisionedPackage -Online | Format-Table DisplayName, PackageName >"$env:userprofile\Desktop\Prov_Apps_List.txt"
When you use PowerShell or Dism++ the “short” display name of the app might not be obvious (e.g., Mail and Calendar = microsoft.windowscommunicationsapps; Cortana = Microsoft.549981C3F5F10, etc.) so if necessary I reference Option # 10 of Brink’s TenForums tutorial How to Uninstall Desktop Apps and Windows Apps in Windows 10 to find the correct “short” display name for each app.
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I think at one time I could go back to Mail and Calendar (is that what Outlook (classic) is – the old Mail and Calendar? – from what I can tell, the two names seem to be referring to the same thing). Now that Mail and Calendar (aka Outlook (classic)?) has not been an option for some time, I guess you could say that am/was/have been fully “migrated.”
No, Outlook (classic) is purchased in Office or rented in Microsoft 365.
You can return briefly to Mail and Calendar from Outlook (new), Settings, General, About Outlook, Return to Windows Mail and Calendar, Open Mail now. But only to export any local stuff as you can’t send or receive from Mail and Calendar any more.
I haven’t removed the old (now unsupported) Mail and Calendar UWP app yet, so if I scroll to “C” I see a shortcut for Calendar, and if I scroll to “M” I see a shortcut for Mail.
Don’t both those shortcuts launch Outlook (new) now?
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Don’t both those shortcuts launch Outlook (new) now?
Hi b:
Sorry, I had already used PowerShell to uninstall the “new” Outlook for Windows PWA before reading your question so I can’t tell you if clicking the Calendar and/or Mail shortcuts in my Win 10 Start menu would have automatically launched the “new” Outlook for Windows.
I suspect if I clicked those Mail and Calendar app shortcuts now this would just force-install the “new” Outlook for Windows PWA again so I’m not going to test.
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Why are AskWoody users using the registry code to block it in advance of the February patches? This is probably the most important question.
The reasons are different for different users.
Most believe Microsoft’s plans for the new Outlook is to install and give users time to switch to the new Outlook, then after time force migration to the new Outlook. There is even a registry key to block this forced migration. None of this will ever happen if the new Outlook is prevented from installing. Hence the registry key to stop new Outlook from installing. Another reason to block the new Outlook is a lot of bugs and problems and lack of features that users don’t like. Some users have problems with their email upon switching from Windows Mail to the new Outlook and other want to avoid such problems. Then some users just don’t like Microsoft installing an app without having the option to say no.If I let the February patches do their thing, I will have this new Outlook (new). If I find that it isn’t working like the previous Outlook (new), can I then run the registry code to block this new Outlook (new) from future patches?
Yes, there is a Powershell script that will uninstall the new Outlook and then you add the registry block to keep it from installing again. You might find that you won’t be able to get Windows mail working like it was.
It appears that the new Outlook is working with your AT&T/Bellsouth/Yahoo account and if it works I would leave it as it is for now. As far as the Calendar and new Outlook, that is a top compliant against new Outlook and I suspect Microsoft is working on a replacement for the lost Calendar app.
HTH, Dana:))
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(is that what Outlook (classic) is – the old Mail and Calendar? – from what I can tell, the two names seem to be referring to the same thing)
Mail and Calendar are two separate apps intended for simpler needs, whereas Classic Outlook is an integrated, full-featured mail client, suitable for professional and business needs. The first table on this page gives some idea of how the feature sets compare, even if the Mail and Calendar information seems to be aimed at people using mobile devices.
Hope this helps!
You might check here for clues to the Outlook Riddle:
https://office-watch.com/2025/many-microsoft-outlooks/
…You’re totally excused for being confused because most people are, including many that work for Microsoft!
Too often people talk of using ‘Outlook’ but that could mean Outlook the software (there are several types), the Outlook mobile apps (for Apple or Android), Outlook in a web browser, or Outlook.com the mail host. All very different things.
We regularly get emails asking for help with ‘Outlook’ where the writer doesn’t understand the difference between the software or email service that use the same name.
All that is before you consider the version of Outlook software (e.g. 2003, 2007, 2010, 2013, 2016, 2019, 2021, 2024 or 365), Outlook for Windows (there’s now TWO “Outlook for Windows”!), Outlook for Mac (also two versions) or the Outlook mobile apps (for Apple or Android devices) or the Outlook Lite mobile app. And there’s Outlook.com — the former Hotmail service.
<h2 id=”h-why-all-these-different-outlooks” class=”wp-block-heading”>Why all these different Outlooks?</h2>
Misguided Microsoft marketing mavens, possibly over a long, liquid lunch, decided it would be a good idea to use the existing ‘Outlook’ name for all of Redmond’s consumer email services and programs…I think at one time I could go back to Mail and Calendar (is that what Outlook (classic) is – the old Mail and Calendar?
Classic Outlook:
Paid for Outlook that comes with Microsoft Office (used to be able to buy it as a separate app). Handles multiple email accounts of POP, IMAP , and MAPI. Handles contacts, multiple calendars, rules, archiving, etc. Mainly it handles just about everything you want an email app to handle including customizing the email word processor.Mail and Calendar:
Different and separate apps which come with the Windows install (free). Neither of these apps can do what Outlook does for these same functions.New Outlook:
Replacement for the free Mail and Calendar apps that comes with a Windows install. New Outlook will NOT replace Classic Outlook for now, but Microsoft indicates that New outlook will replace Classic Outlook in a few years. For now Classic Outlook users will see the new Outlook download and install, but it will not force the migration for many years. I don’t understand Microsoft’s reason to get rid of Classic Outlook in the future when it has been a cash cow for them. Even now to get Outlook with a perpetual Office license cost 67% more than a perpetual Office license without Outlook.The biggest problem for Classic Outlook users migrating to the New Outlook is those users that saved their emails to their HDD in a PST file which can not be viewed in the New Outlook.
My advice to users is this:
Current users of the Mail and Calendar and don’t have Classic Outlook or Microsoft Office:
Look at the New Outlook features and if you decide to try the New Outlook you will need to find a Calendar app and follow Microsoft’s instructions for the migration. If you have a POP account I suggest looking for different mail app which could also provide a calendar app replacement in the process. The key here is if you do not want the New Outlook, switch to the different mail app before the New Outlook installs or block the install of the new Outlook until you have switched to a different mail app. Once you switch and are no longer using the Mail and Calendar apps New Outlook install doesn’t matter because the expected forced migration will be from the Windows Mail app to the New Outlook and no migration will occur if the Mail app is not being used.Current users of Classic Outlook:
Since Microsoft will not force migration from Classic Outlook to New Outlook for many years, blocking the New Outlook install is not necessary and would only save the space of the install (which is small considering what the Microsoft store has already downloaded to your HDD). Even adding the registry key to prevent forced migration is not necessary considering when that forced migration comes you probably will not be using this Windows version and this registry file.HTH, Dana:))
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What’s wrong with the Calendar in Outlook (New)?
Nothing, now, as far as I can tell. I don’t use any of those features that are the focus of “8 super annoying, deal breaker problems with New Outlook calendar”.
I am Win10/Pro 22H2. I haven’t done the February patches yet. I have MS Office Home and Student 2016 (therefore, I have never had Outlook (classic)). Both the native (free) ‘Mail and Calendar’ app{until today} and the stand-alone ‘Outlook (new)’, are listed in Apps and features. {I got ‘Outlook (new)’ when I took the offer in ‘Mail and Calendar’ in March, 2024 to try it.} My email provider is Bellsouth, an AT&T subsidiary, which contracts with Yahoo! for the email service.
Up until today, the ‘Mail and Calendar’ app and ‘Outlook (new) were listed in the Start Menu app list. The two would also come up in a flyout when I typed ‘Mail and Calendar’ or ‘Outlook (new)’ in the Taskbar search box. In both cases, I would get Outlook (new). The mail matched my AT&T/Yahoo! mail. The calendar was never up-to-date – always an older rendition of my Yahoo! calendar.
In addition, ‘Mail and Calendar’ would appear in my library at MS-Store and I could update it there. ‘Outlook (new)’ would not be listed in MS-Store. It would be updated via the monthly Tuesday patches.
Now today Feb 14 things are different. ‘Mail and Calendar’ is not listed in the Start Menu app list anymore and nothing comes up when I type ‘Mail and Calendar’ in Taskbar search. However, it is still listed in MS-Stores, and it can be updated there. Unlike yesterday, Outlook (new) is there now and can be updated there, too. I updated them both; as a result, in Apps and features, they both have today’s date.
Now that ‘Mail and Calendar’ is gone from the Start Menu app list, there is, instead a ‘Mail’ entry and a ‘Calendar’ entry. And typing ‘Mail’ or ‘Calendar’ separately in Taskbar search will bring up a flyout with a generic icon for it. Clicking on the icon will bring up Outlook (new), no matter whether ‘Mail’ or ‘Calendar’ is requested.
When Outlook (new) comes up now, there are two separate icons on the left, one for ‘mail’ and the other for ‘calendar’. {this might have also been the case before … I just started paying attention to it today}. If I click on the ‘mail’ icon, I get a ribbon for mail and I can see my AT&T/Yahoo! email. If I click on the ‘calendar’ icon, I get a ribbon for calendars and I can see my Yahoo! calendar. All of my events are there. (different than yesterday when the calendar was an older rendition of my Yahoo! calendar.)
So it looks as if this stand-alone ‘Outlook (new)’(aka ‘Outlook for Windows’) is making progress (no pun intended). It’s got all of my AT&T/Yahoo! mail (as it did before) and it’s got the same calendar entries as my AT&T/Yahoo mail (as it did not before).
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What’s wrong with the Calendar in Outlook (New)?
Microsoft is trying to fix things, but here is one poster who recently pointed out the lacking of the New Outlook Calendar.
8 super annoying, deal breaker problems with New Outlook calendar
Then there is the Microsoft Support page at the link below that shows difference between New Outlook and Classic Outlook. Scroll thru the section Calendar comparison and see the number of items that states Investigating for New Outlook which means it doesn’t work and hope to be added.
Feature comparison between new Outlook and classic Outlook
HTH, Dana:))
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Actually 2 Investigating, 2 Upcoming , and 1 partial is the list of what it doesn’t do. That list was way longer just a few months ago and Microsoft seems to try and add the things people want. To many some of those missing functions are a deal breaker. There are a lot of posts in the Microsoft Community boards in the last few months with a lot of people complaining how the New Outlook Calendar doesn’t do this or that and being told sorry but to go to tell Microsoft to add that feature. I have not seen posts saying how great the New Outlook Calendar is. Just what I’ve read. I use Classic Outlook and its calendar does all I want and more.
For me, the big No for New Outlook is that it doesn’t provide a way for a user to save emails to their PC other than saving each email as a pdf or eml file. I don’t keep any of my emails on the mail server.
HTH, Dana:))
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Hi Susan:
Windows Update successfully installed all updates offered for the February 2025 Patch Tuesday on my Win 10 Pro v22H2 laptop, and I haven’t noticed any problems so far. This includes:
- KB5051974: 2025-02 Cumulative Update for Win 10 Version 22H2 for x64 (OS Build 19045.5487)
- KB5052978: 2025-02 .NET 8.0.13 Security Update for x64 Client
- KB890830 : Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool x64 – v5.132
I did NOT apply your registry block as instructed in 7000002 Blocking new Outlook from installing prior to installing my Feb 2025 Patch Tuesday updates so, as expected, I received the “new” Outlook for Windows PWA with KB5051974 (see my 14-Feb-2025 post # 2748323 for further details). I don’t need this “new” PWA (I already use the “classic” Outlook that is bundled with my MS Office 2019 suite) so I uninstalled it with PowerShell. If the “new” Outlook for Windows PWA re-appears next month with my March 2025 Patch Tuesday updates I’ll permanently wipe it from my system (i.e., uninstall with the PowerShell command shown in post # 2748202 and then apply your registry block).
I can also confirm that KB5051974 did NOT fix the System Guard Runtime Monitor Broker service (SgrmBroker.exe) Event ID 7023 errors that are logged in my Event Viewer at each Windows startup (see attached image). This harmless Win 10 bug is being discussed in CAS’s 16-Jan-2025 System Guard Runtime Broker Service Error.
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Dell Inspiron 15 5584 * 64-bit Win 10 Pro v22H2 build 19045.5487 * Firefox v135.0.0 * Microsoft Defender v4.18.24090.11-1.1.24090.11 * Malwarebytes Premium v5.2.6.163-1.0.5146 * Macrium Reflect Free v8.0.7783 * Microsoft Office Home and Business 2019 C2R Version 2501 / Build 18429.201321 user thanked author for this post.
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No. The Outlook icon that doesn’t say New is to the Classic Outlook installed with Office. The Outlook icon with New opens new Outlook.
Hi Dana:
I might have misunderstood, but I think b wanted me to test what would happen when I clicked the Calendar and Mail shortcuts in my Win 10 Start menu that belong to my (now unsupported) Microsoft Mail & Calendar v16005.14326.22301.0 UWP app (i.e., to see if this would automatically launch the “new” Outlook for Windows PWA that has replaced Microsoft Mail & Calendar).
I can’t test since I’ve already uninstalled the “new” Outlook for Windows PWA.
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Dell Inspiron 15 5584 * 64-bit Win 10 Pro v22H2 build 19045.5487 * Firefox v135.0.0 * Microsoft Defender v4.18.24090.11-1.1.24090.11 * Malwarebytes Premium v5.2.6.163-1.0.5146 * Macrium Reflect Free v8.0.7783 * Microsoft Office Home and Business 2019 C2R Version 2501 / Build 18429.201321 user thanked author for this post.
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I run both of those, but they aren’t the shortcuts to which I referred. Mail and Calendar both open Outlook (new) now.
My bad.
Interesting results between my Windows 10 that has the registry key to block New Outlook install (Desktop) and the Windows 10 without the blocking Registry key (laptop).
The laptop downloaded the New Outlook along with the already installed Classic Outlook. Pressing Mail or Calendar app icons open the new Outlook.
The Desktop has only the installed Classic Outlook. This is where it gets interesting. Press the Mail or the Calendar app icon cause a Run-Time Application error to appear. After closing that window there was a windows information box which I wish I had taken a screen shot of that basically said I didn’t have the correct version for that app and it would download and fix the problem. Then the first screen for the New Outlook appear. Checked and Microsoft download and installed the New Outlook even with the blocking registry key.
All this occurred without any other install warnings or requiring a reboot. Also I have Windows Updates currently paused when this occurred.
It appears, at least with my situation, opening the Mail or Calendar app will cause the download/install of New Outlook.
HTH, Dana:))
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I suspect if I clicked those Mail and Calendar app shortcuts now this would just force-install the “new” Outlook for Windows PWA again so I’m not going to test.
All this occurred without any other install warnings or requiring a reboot…It appears, at least with my situation, opening the Mail or Calendar app will cause the download/install of New Outlook.
Hi Dana:
Thanks for confirming that the “new” Outlook for Windows PWA is installed on your desktop when you click the Calendar or Mail shortcut on your Win 10 Start menu, even though the registry block at 7000002 Blocking new Outlook from installing is in place.
Sadly, this doesn’t really surprise me, given Microsoft’s relentless efforts to migrate everyone to the “new” Outlook for Windows.
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Because once it’s installed on Windows the “… for Windows” is a bit superfluous?
But it needs (new) to distinguish it from the only other one on Windows, (classic).
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I just installed February’s cumulative update KB5051974 for Windows 10 22H2 – before Susan changed the MS-DEFCON, but since I skipped January’s cumulative KB5049981 because it destroyed my wireless keyboard (see my previous posts #2744490 and #2745817), I felt I should ‘close the gates’ a.s.a.p.
I am happy to confirm that February’s KB5051974 has indeed solved the USB-/DAC-related problems that I encountered after installing January’s KB5049981.
Everything’s functioning as should.
MintDE is my daily driver now. Old friend Win10 keeps spinning in the background1 user thanked author for this post.
Is there a definitive method of preventing Windows from ever downloading and installing
Yes, on a Pro version there is a setting in GPEdit for ‘Notify=2’ don’t download/install.
You can also disable Windows update in WUmgr and enable when ready to install with full control of individual updates.
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When you use “pause till a certain date” and that pause expires, Windows Update will download/install automatically no matter if you have the Group Policy set to “2 notify download/install.”
If you want to manually choose when to update, DO NOT use any iteration of Pause, whether it be week or date set. The GP setting of “2” will hold until you click on “Download.”
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Perhaps I flew under wire then, but merely hides them? . They are Not truly gone (except Outlook, is gone) if you use the admin powershell to check on both installed & provisioned, as per @pkcano check above. Admin p/shell still shows ie calendar, mail, onenote, phone, cloud experience host, and many more. Just bec I don’t ‘see’ ‘em in menu’s taskbar does not mean they are gone.
Hi Deo
Since provisioned apps are automatically added to each user account when the account is created, uninstalling from Settings | Apps | Apps and Features while logged in as User A does not uninstall that app for User B, User C, etc. Also, if you simply unpin the app from your Start menu or taskbar this removes the shortcut but doesn’t actually uninstall the app.
Entering the following command in an elevated Windows PowerShell console with Administrator rights …
Get-AppxPackage -AllUsers | Select Name, PackageFullName >"$env:userprofile\Desktop\Apps_List_All.txt"
… will create a .txt file on your desktop that will show you which UWP / Microsoft Store apps are still installed in the hidden, protected C:\Program Files\WindowsApps folder.
When I’m trying to completely wipe a UWP / Microsoft Store app off my system with PowerShell (e.g., using one of the “Remove-AppxPackage -AllUsers” PowerShell commands listed in Option # 10 of Brink’s TenForums tutorial How to Uninstall Desktop Apps and Windows Apps in Windows 10) I also like to use TreeSize Free (run as an Administrator) to confirm that all associated files have been removed from C:\Program Files\WindowsApps.
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The “Removing Built in Apps” thread is still valid – for both Win10 and Win11.
BUT
You have to change the App names to the correct current names found in the Power Shell list of installed Apps you just generated. And some of the Apps are not removable, including the MS Store (don’t remove that ever).Credit where credit is due: I got my original information from the Ten Forums tutorial referenced by @lmacri above. I think I stated that in the Topic somewhere. The Topic I created just added my experiences in performing the executions and some guidance.
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It’s here @wchs Removing Built in Apps from Win 10 but @Imacri ‘s instructions above referencing Ten forums are terrific.
@pkcano :Meant this entire Feb update thread! And You bet! @Imacri ‘s astute, well researched, and clear responses including current experience and accredited links (Ten etc) make Imacri’s posts invaluable to this site!! So much gratitude @Imacri!!(I only ref’d @pkcano’s topic as I didn’t know where to con’t that part of thread; didn’t wish to make this one go off track for my own non-update issues. @imacri ‘s posts are stellar! @pkcano’s are fantastic-read both!)1 user thanked author for this post.
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I also like to use TreeSize Free (run as an Administrator) to confirm that all associated files have been removed from C:\Program Files\WindowsApps.
Running portable 10AppsManager I get the following list of installed Microsoft apps.
All can be selected and uninstalled
TreeSize WindowsApps shows more than just Microsoft store apps.
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