Patch Lady here: In today’s Microsoft 365 blog, Microsoft is announcing a lifecycle extension for Enterprise customers. For those with Enterprise li
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I doubt they’ll phase out Pro, unless they want to alienate small/med biz who is not willing or can’t pay per seat license agreements.
If not for the domain join and more granular control over updates and postponing them, Pro would be worthless since they do keep removing GPO from it in favor of the Ent/Edu skus.
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I don’t think they will either. I wouldn’t be surprised though. They sure are trying to nudge companies to Enterprise…
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Peter Bright over at Arstechnica had the same info but also had this tid-bit as well:
“This 30-month window is also being retroactively applied to the Enterprise and Education editions of all prior Windows 10 feature releases that are currently supported: 1607, 1703, 1709, and 1803.”
Wow 30 months of Satya not slathering more useless layers of lipstick on the Windows 10 pig!!!
Have already D/L’e the 1709 Education Edition Iso for the multi-boot on my upcoming i9-9900K build next month. Windows 7 will be the primary 24/7 OS on it though.
Also in the same artcle from Peter:
Windows 7 lumbers on:
“And for those customers still on Windows 7 and planning to stay that way beyond the January 2020 end of extended support, Microsoft has a new scheme for receiving paid updates. Windows 7 Extended Security Updates (ESU) will offer an additional three years of security fixes, through January 2023. Paid security fixes aren’t a new thing for Microsoft, but what’s different here is that this extended support will be offered uniformly to all volume license customers of Windows 7 Professional and Enterprise. It’ll be offered on a per-device basis, with the cost increasing each year.”Gee now who didn’t see this coming considering about 35% of PC’s worldwide will still be running Win7 come the support end date. It’s going to be WinXP all over again only with twice the installed base that XP had at free support end (after that end was extended twice). Remember we still get WinXP updates every month and it’s free extended support ended in 2014. XP monthly updates are readily available in the Update Catalog for anyone to grab.
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I believe there was an XP update issued last May, during the Wannacry crisis:
https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=KB4012598
MS17-010: How to install security update (WannaCry)
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Even antivirus updates for MSE has stopped. There is a extended support patches for XP, there is point of sale support for POS XP 2009 (if I’ve got my naming right) but no one in consumerland is getting XP updates these days.
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I’m pretty sure most know the trick that makes XP POSReady 2009 gets offered and applied to regular XP
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Some sites recommended quite strongly against the registry hack:
Yes, you still can trick Microsoft into giving you security updates for Windows XP. No, it’s not a good idea. You are not protected.
Hacked Windows XP still updates, still a bad ideaI didn’t know that XP Embedded updates were available from Microsoft Update Catalog.
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I think med/small business may try to eek it out on W7/Pro way past January 2020 because Microsoft is currently not meeting their expectations and business needs with WaaS There are no penalties for them (from Microsoft) if they do. Obviously, they will need to lock their systems down in 2020 if they intend to do so, but it can be done. It will at least send a message to Microsoft. Of course, how it is received is another matter.
Med/small business use Microsoft more than any other OS because of the fact that their applications were written (ages ago) to run under Windows and nothing but Windows. Also Office is pretty much essential – primarily Word and Excel.
Many non-business people have already dumped Windows for other platforms and most schools have a preference for Chromebooks, so it stands to reason that the majority of W7/Pro users today are probably med/small businesses. Microsoft is not hauling in a steady stream of revenue from them right now and that is going to change starting in 2020. The ‘carrot dangling in front of the donkey’ trick may be implemented sometime late in 2019 with non-enterprise W7 users.
Disclaimer: I use W7/Pro. I am no donkey, but I like carrots.
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They rolled out a second XP security patch on June 13 of last year as well:
Security Update for Windows XP Service Pack 3 (KB4012583)
Details
Version:
4012583File Name:
WindowsXP-KB4012583-x86-Custom-ENU.exeDate Published:
6/13/2017File Size:
1.5 MBObviously not a resumption of regular patching for XP, but it does signify a response to the world as it is, and not as Microsoft desperately wishes it to be.
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you will have to manually download the XP KB4012583 update as it will not be offered thru windows update
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See details above of May 2017 update.
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My apologies – I should have mentioned the “first” update (I will fix it now).
It is interesting that KB4012583 was issued in March, and shows as updated in June in the catalog, yet the KB support article was last updated in March:
MS17-011 and MS17-013: Description of the security update for Microsoft Graphics Component: March 14, 2017
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I work for a medium business. We’d like to be fully switched over to Linux by 2020 for desktops. Servers might be more dicey, not certain yet. I’d like to see as many as we can run on Linux, and we’re somewhere near 20% as-is.
We’re lucky that we’ve been replacing most of our old tech as we go along, and the few Windows-specific software packages (except Office) are only used by a handful of users. Office is the big one, but Libre might be enough? We’ve got a year to find that out.
The sad (?) thing here is, has there really been anything in Win10 since launch that anyone went gaga over? IMHO, the best part of 10 is that it has the Explorer enhancements of 8/8.1, with the added benefits of Task View. As a gamer I would say “DX12” but I’ve seen none of my games use it.
Since then, every feature update…I cannot honestly think of anything added that wet my whistle. They cleaned up Notifications and Settings a bit, but those are all to be expected. Yes, it’s more stable, 1703 arguably the most stable, but I’m looking for feature update “new stuff” here.
I’m struggling to find anything, I really am. Edge is better… Can you edit bookmark URL’s in it yet? Last I checked, you couldn’t, and that’s something that’s been in browsers since the 90’s.
The idea of even once yearly updates where people have to go through the hassle, without any real benefits…well, color me surprised that “people don’t want that”.
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Edge is better… Can you edit bookmark URL’s in it yet? Last I checked, you couldn’t, and that’s something that’s been in browsers since the 90’s.
Yes, since 1709:
Windows 10 Tip: Edit any URL in your Microsoft Edge Favorites
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Multiple Desktops feature finally native to the OS. Linux has had this feature for years and there are third party utilities to accomplish this in Windows (Sysinternals suite, Desktops). I personally hate the apps that are built in to Windows 10, they suck. Apps are meant for tablets and mobile devices, not a desktop!
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MS Edge is still overrated, zero2dash. a few sites don’t work correctly with it.
in the 1803 version of Win10, the MicrosoftEdge.exe & MicrosoftEdgeCP.exe files always load at startup as I looked in Task Manager on the Details tab. sure MS Edge loads faster in v1803 because those files are pre-loaded after the desktop loads, which is sort of a “cheat” by MS to think their browser is faster than Google Chrome & Mozilla Firefox.
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MS Edge is still overrated…a few sites don’t work correctly with it.
This is not just a problem with Edge – you will find this with all browsers. There will always be a site or two which won’t work with your preferred browser; you should have a second browser available for those cases.
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Microsoft has stated that they release updates for Enterprise only when those updates are stable.
Given that Home and Pro users get the updates earlier, that’s tacit admission that those users get unstable updates.
Insiders are alpha testers.
Home/Pro users are beta testers.
Enterprise users get the (real) quality updates.
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
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Remember we still get WinXP updates every month and it’s free extended support ended in 2014. XP monthly updates are readily available in the Update Catalog for anyone to grab.
I don’t think that’s true. The most recent update I can find in Microsoft Update Catalog for Windows XP is four-and-a-half years old.
It’s all in your search terms. Search “Windows XP Embedded” in the catalog. They are exactly same updates that I get with paid XP updates. In fact I always D/L and install the monthly Internet Explorer update from the Catalog first cause that reduces the time to find and pull XP security updates from 30 to 90 minutes to 1 or 2 minutes
https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=Windows+XP+Embedded
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Why do you pay for XP updates?
I do not personally pay for XP Updates. A company I used to work for does. I am still part of team of 6 people for that company that use propriatary SCADA like program(s) to monitor and control small remote (some you can only get to on horseback or helo) power generating stations scattered around the mountains for Northern California and Southern Oregon. The program(s) won’t run on anything over WinXP. It’s all ancient cob-web stuff having started out using OSR2 and full T1 lines in the beginning, but it still works surprisingly well.
I don’t think you understood the question. ViperJohn pays for updates and uses free ones.
No I get the Internet Explorer update from the catalog and install it 1st and then pull the rest of the updates from MS XP Update. In WinXP the Internet Explorer update contains the XP servicing stack update (which seem to change every month with XP). I could get it all from MS XP Update but that could take up to 2 hours, instead of a couple of minutes, (and the update might even fail) if I don’t manually install the IE update first. It’s just a quirk in the XP Update system now that will never be corrected these days.
Viper John #215807 : So “embedded” xp updates can really be used to do regular user PC updates and are not just for patching the version of xp embedded in ATM controllers and such? That seems strange to me, but if this is the way it is, and is for free to boot, one could use them to patch, and most economically, one’s old xp PC and that way bring it back to active duty from the shelf where it has been lying sidelined for a while now… Just asking.
The updates I get have the same KB numbers as the”WES09 and POSReady” XP updates in the Catalog (and have since 2014). I am pretty sure that what MS XP Update is sending me is straight out of the Catalog.
If you think about it listing the product as “Windows XP Embedded” keeps most people from ever finding them as the people here using “Windows XP” as there catalog search term found out.
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So if it says there “embedded”, usually I would understand that the patch is for updating xp in ATM controllers and such that still run “xp embedded”. And that is why I found the possibility of it also being OK to use on a regular PC a bit strange.
In XP’s case it’s probably a bit different. Why on earth would MS spend the money to produce separate updates for a full XP install and a different one for a cut down Embedded install (ATM type units) and/or PoS (Point of Sale) install which were, more often than not, full XP installs.
While a true update for an Embedded only install might not be usable for a full install due to missing update pieces a full install would need the opposite (full install update in embedded) would almost certainly work as you would just have more update pieces than needed. Also the core components of XP like the kernal and “basic guts” of XP exist in all XP versions and that’s all that gets security updated now.
Naming a full install update “Security Update for WES09 and POSReady” and using “Windows XP Embedded” as the target product would be a easy way to obfuscate the update and put the blood hounds off the scent of a free-be.
All I know is I update (4) Win7, (1) Win10 and (2) WinXP systems every month and THE ONLY ONES that have not had any issues with updates at all in the last 4 years are the WinXP systems!!! Win7 comes in 2nd with Win10 coming in dead last.
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Yes, adding the POSReady hack will get the updates offered through WU for regular XP
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You can certainly download the updates from the catalog. I download from Win8.1 and save the updates. For example, look up KB4343205 (Aug IE update) in the Catalog and you will find the one for IE8 listed for XP Embeded.
They install manually with the hack. But whether they will install without the POSReady hack is another question I do not have the answer to.
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@oscarcp, here are a couple of links about the hack. The first one is an informative piece by one of Woody’s colleagues at CW: https://www.computerworld.com/article/2489870/microsoft-windows/windows-xp-hack-resurrects-patches-for-retired-os.html
And here’s one from a reputable website, often quoted here at Woody’s, describing how to go about modifying XP: https://www.ghacks.net/2014/05/24/get-security-updates-windows-xp-april-2019/
Good luck!
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Your link for Firefox 52 ESR leads to an outdated, insecure version. To access the last version of FF-52 ESR, click here.
Version 52 ESR was last updated in June, and has had several security updates since the earlier version you mentioned. It is no longer being updated.
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ViperJohn,
open that MSU file in 7zip, extract its PkgProperties.txt file, open that TXT file in Notepad and view the “ApplicabilityInfo” section. It should say “Windows 7.0 Client SP1;Windows 7.0 Embedded SP1;Windows 7.0 WinPE 3.1;” – meaning that patch can be installed on both embedded and non-embedded versions of Win7 as long as Microsoft does not change the ApplicabilityInfo on future MSU patches for Win7
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Cybertooth #216193 : Thanks for those two links to information on the hack I was suggesting would be good to have available. Too bad that even that will no longer be possible after April next year, when MS stops delivering patches for xp embedded. Also, clearly, the worst vulnerability to malware exposure is Internet Explorer, as it is unlikely to receive suitable patches, or any patches at all for the old versions that can still run under xp. So, one should use, instead (as recommended in the CW article), one of several other browsers that are still compatible with xp and are updated regularly by their creators (e.g. Firefox).
@oscarcp, following are two (relatively) recent links to pages listing browsers that were still supporting XP as of the time of their writing: here and here. (Be sure to read the “Best Answer” in the Tom’s Hardware page for valuable advice on browsing securely.) Obviously the choices for XP are getting narrower and narrower, and will continue to do so over time.1 user thanked author for this post.
ViperJohn, open that MSU file in 7zip, extract its PkgProperties.txt file, open that TXT file in Notepad and view the “ApplicabilityInfo” section. It should say “Windows 7.0 Client SP1;Windows 7.0 Embedded SP1;Windows 7.0 WinPE 3.1;” – meaning that patch can be installed on both embedded and non-embedded versions of Win7 as long as Microsoft does not change the ApplicabilityInfo on future MSU patches for Win7
Good Info. Applies to Server as well.
ApplicabilityInfo=”Windows 7.0 Client SP1;Windows 7.0 Server Core SP1;Windows 7.0 Embedded SP1;Windows 7.0 Server
I wonder if that file is just pure informational or if it is used to control what windows version family the update engine is allowed to apply the update to. If the latter it could possibly be of interest in 2020. Guess I could edit the file by deleting the “Windows 7.0 Client SP1” reference and see if the update fails to install to find out.
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ViperJohn #216387 : Hmmm… If your test is successful, wouldn’t it then be time to move this conversation to the Dark Web, agree on funny handshakes, secret mail drops, ring decoders, etc., so not to give MS any pointers?
Well the ApplicabilityInfo in the PkgProperties.txt was just that … info. Deleting the
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It’s the same files, regardless separate entries in Update Catalog
you may notice that .NET Rollups are gathered for both in one entryYes, like Windows 10 ver 1507 updates for example, can be only applied to Enterprise LTSB 2015
i’m not sure, but i don’t think they will do it instantly for Windows 7 Embedded
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