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    I’m hoping to travel to Europe later this year on business, but have decided to treat myself to a 6-8 week holiday (first one this millenium!) Now, I haven’t been out of the antipodean hemisphere for 20 years, but even back then I became aware that the European summer was chaotic for tourists wrt accommodation, and that the worst times were when school holidays for one country meant a huge influx into another. For instance, I made the mistake of holidaying in Spain during the French (and maybe Italian) school holidays. As a consequence, Spain was full – I had to sleep on beaches more often than not. The Greek islands are host to half the population of Sweden during their holidays etc.

    Now, I know many of the longterm Loungers live on or frequent the continent, and I’m basically wanting any tips to avoid a problematic holiday. I’m hoping to arrive when the summer mayhem is dying down – last July/ early August? But this is flexible. I’ll be “based” on the French Riviera, where accommodation is taken care of. From there, I’m hoping to travel within France and Italy – possibly Spain (which I missed last time I was there) and Portugal. Maybe elsewhere time permitting. I think there’s also a possible hop across to London, so maybe a quick refresher course on the UK.

    So any of those handy tips for travelers, straight from the mouths of the locals, would be appreciated.

    Alan

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    • #1205655

      no advice – I just wanted to let you know I’m jealous

      • #1205757

        no advice – I just wanted to let you know I’m jealous

        Now where’s that violin when you need it!
        The last “holiday” I had was trekking up the east coast of for 6 months, trying to find a “just right” place to live (criteria determined by other half). We scoured about 2000km of coastline and finally found “it” about 5km from where we were in Melbourne. Before that, it was basking in a Middle East “hotspot” courtesy of the DoD in 1992. I deserve a holiday with all expenses paid and no luxury too extravagant!


        Alan

    • #1205673

      Make sure you come to London….I have about 20 beers I owe you keeping cool in a large cask here

      • #1205676

        Make sure you come to London….I have about 20 beers I owe you keeping cool in a large cask here

        Maybe we could assemble a group of Loungers to throw you a party!

        • #1205768

          Maybe we could assemble a group of Loungers to throw you a party!

          Now that sounds wonderful! Not a lynch mob I hope

          I’d really like to hit the Benelux region again too (but time probably won’t permit). It seems also to be a haven for Lounge long termers.

          Alan

      • #1205760

        Make sure you come to London….I have about 20 beers I owe you keeping cool in a large cask here

        This is so typical of my luck (see violin in reply to Catherine’s post). Due to ongoing medication, I haven’t been able to enjoy a brew or six for some time now. So I’m afraid you will have to drink them before they go warm and flat. Sorry, forgot that “warm” is the offer of the day!

        Alan

    • #1205693

      I recommend that you avoid the French Riviera during the period July 14th (French national day) and August 15th (Assumption of Mary). During these four weeks, most of the French, Belgium, Dutch and German people are invading the south of France. Personally, I would come in June (schools are working up to the first days of July), the hotels are not crowded and the days are the longest around the June equinox. On the other hand, the sea will not be as warm as in August. After mid-August, days are shorter and you may end up with more storms.

      • #1205775

        I recommend that you avoid the French Riviera during the period July 14th (French national day) and August 15th (Assumption of Mary). During these four weeks, most of the French, Belgium, Dutch and German people are invading the south of France. Personally, I would come in June (schools are working up to the first days of July), the hotels are not crowded and the days are the longest around the June equinox. On the other hand, the sea will not be as warm as in August. After mid-August, days are shorter and you may end up with more storms.

        Stephane. That’s the kind of really helpful information I was after. June is a possibility – possibly a better alternative – go pre-invasion rather than post-skirmish. Although things should be taken care of (at least logistically) at the Riviera, I guess the influx would also affect the rest of south France, where we wouldn’t have established accommodation.

        thanks again for that valuable advice
        Alan

    • #1205778

      Ah, returning to the old and beautiful Europe.

      The Greek islands are host to half the population of Sweden during their holidays etc.

      Some years ago, yes, that is true, indeed. Nowadays, a lot travel to Woody’s regions.

      Perhaps I can do some research if you want to avoid Swedes.

      • #1205783

        … Perhaps I can do some research if you want to avoid Swedes.

        Nah! The Swedes are good fun as tourists (and at home, where they do have to be a bit more serious though). I actually worried over them a bit though, in my traveling era. Booze was almost (deliberately) prohibitively expensive in in the 80s and when they got to places like the Greek islands, where a bottle of beer was cheaper than a bottle of Coke or Aqua Minerale, together with the embarrassingly high exchange rate from Kroner to Drachma… well, you can imagine the result. It seemed to become a “mission” for some to get as much ingested as possible in the limited time available. Kinda like mad bargain hunters at annual sales.

        Alan

        • #1205975

          Just a thought – do you have to stay in a hotel? I can only speak for my travails in Germany (long, sad story with he-who-must-not-be-named) and I found guest houses (please translate as necessary) to be quite nice, friendly, and less expensive. You also get a sense of what the citizens are really like and this helped in France, too, where we only knew English and enough German to order a beer and ask where the bathrooms were.

    • #1205779

      A couple of other queries have sprung to mind. Preferred currency in UK and on the continent? I’m wondering about setting up a foreign currency card account with HSBC. I could buy USD, EUR, GBP for AUD any time from now, when the buy/sell rate is right. I’m guessing EUR might be the go, since no further conversion stings would be involved?

      Also, rail passes. Back in my days there were a bunch of disparate options – Eurail, Britrail, Benelux and other passes, for whatever length of time, with Switzerland not included, Spain partial inclusion etc. etc. I’m hoping that there might be some consolidated arrangement now under the EU?

      Hostels and backpackers have obviously moved in leaps & bounds too. With a mixture of private and Youth Hostels now, is there a “common” membership or similar worth getting?

      Alan

      • #1206085

        A couple of other queries have sprung to mind. Preferred currency in UK and on the continent? I’m wondering about setting up a foreign currency card account with HSBC. I could buy USD, EUR, GBP for AUD any time from now, when the buy/sell rate is right. I’m guessing EUR might be the go, since no further conversion stings would be involved?

        Also, rail passes. Back in my days there were a bunch of disparate options – Eurail, Britrail, Benelux and other passes, for whatever length of time, with Switzerland not included, Spain partial inclusion etc. etc. I’m hoping that there might be some consolidated arrangement now under the EU?

        Hostels and backpackers have obviously moved in leaps & bounds too. With a mixture of private and Youth Hostels now, is there a “common” membership or similar worth getting?

        Alan

        Hi Alan

        You will need proper currency here in the UK, remember to keep the small change such as Groats and farthings for tipping the serfs. Also remeber to swot up on Miles per Hour, Pounds and Ounces etc. you know, proper measurements are still used here like ‘Chains’ (remember the border line series).

        On another note I have an office in SYD and MEL so if you need anything shipped by air I can get them to do it at cost and the same if you buy up half of London I can get it shipped back.

        • #1206086

          Hi Alan

          You will need proper currency here in the UK, remember to keep the small change such as Groats and farthings for tipping the serfs. Also remeber to swot up on Miles per Hour, Pounds and Ounces etc. you know, proper measurements are still used here like ‘Chains’ (remember the border line series).

          Glad to hear you’ve improved the system since I was there last. I don’t have problems with imperial units, since I was raised on them and still think in those terms. They are much more useful than metric anyway. For instance, the length of my foot is, well er,,, 1 foot, middle finger top joint is 1 inch. When I’m without tape measure, I can pace out something quite nicely in ft. in. … but not in metric. Cricket pitches are a chain (and all s remember the bodyline series… every cricket season against the poms, my elderly father-in-law brings it up as if it happened 3 seasons ago). I know and can relate to my weight in stones & pounds, but kilos mean nothing to me. And mph? …bring it on. With a quick refresher on bushels, pecks, perches poles & rods, I think I’ll be able to survive it.

          OK, but are ₤ preferable to ₠? I’m thinking of opening a foreign currency card account in Euros. Maybe also one in GBP?

          On another note I have an office in SYD and MEL so if you need anything shipped by air I can get them to do it at cost and the same if you buy up half of London I can get it shipped back.

          That’s most kind of you Steve. Hadn’t thought of heavy duty souvenirs till you mentioned it. There’s a bridge for sale somewhere, I’ve heard.

    • #1205887

      Remember and leave yourself plenty of time if you’re not coming by pigeon…

    • #1206052

      I enjoy France in September. Usually (but not guaranteed) still good weather, school terms have started which cuts down the crowds and hotel/travel rates start going down. Spain and Italy will be getting that little bit cooler (and cheaper). If you’re heading for the sea, it will still have retained a fair bit of heat – but if a warm sea is what you’re after, I suggest that the colour should be Red.

    • #1206532

      I’m hoping to travel to Europe later this year on business, …

      I kmnow there’s a difference between Europe and Toronto, but …
      “Just three miles south of YYZ. Two bikes. Home cooking. Room comes with IBM server and internet access … ”
      and all that

    • #1206635

      English schools hols tend to start mid July to end August.

      Scottish schools hols start beginning of July to mid August

      Carolyn

      • #1206892

        English schools hols tend to start mid July to end August.

        Scottish schools hols start beginning of July to mid August

        Carolyn

        Thanks Carolyn. I managed to find a 2010 calendar on the web, of all European/UK school hols. It’ll be hard to work round all of them 😀 but it might give me an idea of chaos & mayhem hot spots.

        Alan

    • #1217675

      If you haven’t left yet, here is another subject you might consider seeking advice on, probably in another thread and in any number of other places: grub.

      Consider olives. I have been spoiled rotten by getting into the good stuff, so to speak, and I don’t even know where they came from. I was in Mallorca and the market there had olives unlike any I have had before or since, and they didn’t come from the island because the only olives grown there were used for oil. North Africa or Spain seem the best bets, but if ever in a market check the olives. If you hate them now chances are you will change your mind if you find the good ones.

      It doesn’t have to be caviar or truffles, although it might be fun to go on a truffle hunt, but recommendations for food you may not normally get could set you on a culinary treasure hunt outside the usual restaurant circuit, and at a better price. Getting what is in season obviously matters, and just because the locals like something doesn’t mean anyone else will. When you get back, write a book on it. Europe on Five Dollars a Day.

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