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    Many of us are fed up with constant news of perfectly serviceable hardware becoming obsolete, due to the security issues caused by lack of ongoing software updates. I realise a lot of this is driven by the profit motive, but my concern is that our environment shouldn’t have to dispose of, or recycle, machinery/technology (and that doesn’t just mean computers and mobile phones) that otherwise work just fine.

    We don’t have the raw materials, as a planet, to continue in the same rate we are currently having to invest in new technology. For instance, there is an iPhone 4 sitting in a drawer. It works perfectly, but as its iOS can’t be upgraded past v.7, and apps all need v.8 or higher, it’s basically unusable in any safe capacity (other than as a phone – oops, that wasn’t the design of this product, was it?!). And a number of site visitors here prove that XP machines still live on. The recent Wannacry ransomware threat exposed a high number of XP-based machines, especially in environments where stability is required, such as in health care sectors, etc.

    I’m saddened by recent news of Microsoft’s ever-shortening life-span of computers, and acknowledge they are not the only culprits/offenders. But how are we ever going to convince such corporate giants that our planet, and future generations, deserve a higher priority than their corporate greed/profit imperative?

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    • #125432

      A lot has been said about how fervently Microsoft is attempting to copy Apple.  Unfortunately, one thing they did not copy from Apple is the wall of separation Apple maintains between mobile devices (iPhone, iPad, iPad Pro) and Macs.  There’s no Continuum or “one OS to rule them all” in Apple land… Macs run x86 hardware, do not have touch screens, and run an OS that is built for the use patterns and expectations of non-touch devices running on that platform.  The mobile iOS devices run on ARM hardware and are always touch-screen.  And that, as they say, is that.

      Microsoft, of course, doesn’t make that distinction with their newest OS.  As such, when they try to copy Apple, the most logical question that comes to mind is which Apple paradigm are they attempting to co-opt?  Mac land is distinct from iOS land, but Microsoft’s product covers both, so whichever they copy, it’s going to be “off” for some of their customers.

      It’s a rhetorical question, of course, because which OS and schema they’re trying to copy is obvious.  They’re copying the iOS paradigm of a locked-down walled-garden ecosystem with apps that come from a centralized store (that charges the dev a commission on every sale), revenue enhancement from ads and from collection of personal data for advertising purposes,  premium-priced “luxury” hardware (ok, that one is also present in Macs), and a “my way or the highway” attitude about design decisions.  You don’t need to customize Apple products; they’re perfect the way they are, and if you don’t agree, it’s because you’re doing it wrong.  How much would MS like to be able to claim that and have people not laugh?

      In short, Microsoft appears to be copying the iOS model (representing the majority of Apple’s market) and applying it indiscriminately to the PC platform (representing the majority of Microsoft’s market).  Even Apple hasn’t gone that far when it comes to their own desktop computer market.

      There seems to be a step missing here… people are a lot more tolerant of, if not outright supportive of, phones that follow this pattern.  It’s how all the smart phones are, more or less; Android devices follow the same pattern, but it’s more of a fenced garden than a walled one. The basic characteristics that differentiate a mobile OS from a desktop one remain.

      MS, having nearly no market in phones but a massive market that competes with Mac, not iOS, seems to be employing some magical thinking that if they start acting like they’re a mobile phone OS maker and wish hard enough, it will come true.  Nearly every bizarre thing MS does can be explained by, “Well, Apple does it with iOS and they’re making a fortune.”  The person MS is trying to explain that to could just as invariably claim, “Well, yes, but iOS is 100% tablets and phones, while Windows is nearly 100% not tablets or phones.”

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      • #125550

        What an eloquent post, again.

        Besides the environmental issues, what is scary is if MS tries to adapt the obsolescence patterns of IOS without providing the same easy transition from one device to another. Switching PC is not a seamless experience for many, not at all like buying a new Iphone and just transfer everything in the old one including settings to the new one.

        They will annoy so many people and businesses if they force people to always have to work on their tools to make them work instead of using them to work.

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      • #125570

        Are you sure they aren’t copying Google/Android? That’s who they are copying, in my opinion. But they will never be able to win in direct competition with Google, because they don’t have the business model that Google has, and they never will — giving away virtually everything for free, to intice the users to put in as much personal information as possible, then extracting that information so as to create ever more complete profiles on each user, then selling ads based on those profiles.

        Microsoft is way too dependent on revenue from sales. That’s why they will never successfully compete against someone with Google’s business model.

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        • #125702

          You could probably cite Bing, to which Nadella is related, as proof of what you just said. Scary for the future of MS, if history is to repeat itself on a larger scale, eh?

    • #125466

      From OpenLab at City Tech (NY):

      Planned Obsolescence (Android/iphone)
      What Are Its Effects On The Environment?

      The quick and ugly story of this is that cellphones contain lead, cadmium, and mercury which are terribly for the environment. Once the cellphones make it to a land fill they have plenty of time to release these elements. The flame retardant process through which that plastic in the phones is put through can cause cancer as well. Which not only affects the environment but those inhabiting it. For this reason companies should slow down the speed at which they supply new phones to the consumers as more then half the phones sitting in the landfills were perfectly working phones discarded for the newer trending version. Consumers and companies are hurting the environment significantly for their own benefit and commodity both of which are terrible reasons to do so. If the life span of cellphones was increased and the perfecting of the phones was done with bigger intervals in between predecessors there would be less cellphone landfills leading to one less harm to the environment.

       
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      • #125525

        Never mind the plastic off-gasses (to some minute extent), the space taken up, the physical threat to animals on account of breaking plastic.  The disposable device logic works best for making huge profits, but in 20 years those folks are going to potentially find themselves being levied millions or billions of dollars in fines for causing the resulting disaster.

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    • #125513

      Agree completely. My Samsung tablet was updated recently, and it works flawlessly. Only had to backup essential videos – easy enough to install apps again, and have books, etc. backed up anyway.

      Time is coming for manufacturers who do provide updates to be rewarded. As for old Windows computers, putting on a Linux distro is the best solution. When Windows gets too much just go all Linux. For those who can’t do this, a technical friend or a tech shop which will play with Linux might be the solution.

      Not only is it environmental vandalism, but a lot of the so-called recycling of parts is outsourced to countries where it is done in extremely dangerous ways for the people doing it.

      If a software company makes it too hard to update their computers and starts making still current computers unusable, best solution is too slap a distro on the computer.

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    • #125528

      You don’t have to worry about “Environmental Disadvantages of Planned Obsolescence” if you don’t buy this stuff in the first place – good for your wallet and good for the environment.

      Does anybody need Amazon Echo or similar devices? Unless you’re disabled, I suspect not. The best thing you can do is keep your credit card in your pocket.

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    • #126041

      I’m a person who likes to make things last and get as much use as I can out of everything.  It really bugs me when, as you said, I have to discard or recycle perfectly good electronics.  A little more than a year ago I had to take a perfectly good, fast, quiet HP inkjet printer to be recycled just because I could no longer get ink cartridges to fit it!  It’s planned obsolescence to be sure.  I find this happening more and more to lot of things.

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