Joseph Cox at Vice just published an eye-opener: Leaked Documents Expose the Secretive Market for Your Web Browsing Data An Avast antivirus subsidiary
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Enormous trove of Avast-gathered data being sold
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Whenever I feel like caving in to accepting telemetry and data gathering stuff, this sort of thing reinforces my decision not to.
NONE of them are doing this for you, the user, they ARE just wanting to sell your data for money.
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Nice to see that I was right, yet again. Specifically that antivirus products asking me to install a browser extension always sent my spidey-senses crazy.
Today I assume absolutely any and every software developer with a profit motive is up to no good, especially when/if I give them an Internet connection. This multiplies ten times over if I can’t e.g. play a single player game without submitting to online spyware. (That sets my spidey-senses crazy too.)
The only way to escape this mess is to use software developed by a non-profit organization, or in other words… http://www.debian.org
In times gone by, governments would protect consumers, but they are either taking bribes to look the other way, or getting a 30% discount on the data today, so they won’t.
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I’m phasing out Avast Free from my computers that have it.
Fifteen years ago, Avast was a unique program in that you could select different skins for the UI. And the last time I checked (admittedly, 5-6 years ago), you could still download Avast 4 (or was it 5) virus definitions for Windows 98.
Then they added new features, including a variety of shields to protect the browser, your email, and so on. Avast version 7 was, in my view, the high point for that security software.
But since then, the interface and the experience have steadily deteriorated. They introduced a hideous flat UI to go with cartoonish labels for functions, such as “Grime Fighter” (which was said to clean up the crud on your system) with a robber-in-mask figure.
Current versions of Avast have gotten away from that sixth-grade look, but as a user I have little control over what the cleanup function cleans up. When it claims I have 29.5GB of stuff to get rid of, it doesn’t let me pick and choose what to remove, and so I don’t allow it to proceed.
And sometimes when I reboot, Avast’s own “safe” browser is launched automatically despite my repeatedly setting it NOT to do that. (I think the setting reversion is related to the installation of a new version of the software.)
There is one thing, however, that Avast does which other companies (I’m looking at you, Microsoft) could learn from. When you install a new version of Avast and it asks for a reboot, one of the choices for when to reboot the computer is “next century”. 🙂
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What’s to “phase out”? Just remove it using the Avast Removal Tool, and let Windows Defender take over. Nothing to transition from or to. Anything else like Malwarebytes is an add-on, on-demand tool as far as I’m concerned.
By “phasing out”, I mean that I am uninstalling it from each of my PCs that has it as its respective renewal date approaches. That is, there has been no mad rush to remove it from all computers ASAP.
The reason for this phaseout had to do with the annoyances described in my post, although admittedly in light of today’s revelations I may expedite the process.
Windows Defender is emphatically not a viable option for the PCs that had/have Avast on it here, as they are XP and Vista systems.
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I stopped using Avast years ago when they started showing ads randomly and just behaving in a suspicious way to say the least, good thing I trusted my gut feeling and uininstalled that so called “Anti-virus”. An anti-virus that collects keystrokes, web history, shopping details etc, oh the irony. Right now I’m happy with Malwarebytes Premium, hopefully it won’t go the same path as Avast.
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What is the best AV App for Android tablets?
Do you really need one?
Opinions welcome!
AVG is also AVAST, they are both the same company. Is the problem with both?
Win 10 Home 22H2
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Do you really need one? Opinions welcome!
Personally, I have been using Lookout Mobile Security on my phones and tablets for years.
Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
All W10 Pro at 22H2,(2 Desktops, 1 Laptop).1 user thanked author for this post.
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Unless you’re sideloading apps from unofficial sources, Android does not benefit from “antivirus” apps. Some in fact are nothing more than spyware. The official Store uses Play Protect to scan for dodgy apps.
-- rc primak
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The official Store uses Play Protect to scan for dodgy apps.
Yes but about once a month I see reports of the play store “missing/allowing” dodgy apps into the play store. Unfortunately they seem to miss quite a few.
Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
All W10 Pro at 22H2,(2 Desktops, 1 Laptop).
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Danke schoen for this. We’re amid the early stages of rapacious surveillance capitalism based on everyone’s digital signatures. Our personal data assembled from what used to be our digital breadcrumbs and data exhaust are being expropriated against our will. Discussed at length in Shoshona Zuboff’s very good book, “The Age of Surveillance Capitalism“.
Human, who sports only naturally-occurring DNA ~ oneironaut ~ broadcaster
Better hope we don’t end up with a Social Credit system like China ey? All that collected data will come in v handy for them..
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It’s one of the reasons I’ve stuck with MSE all this time. It’s had no impact on performance, I’ve never had a false positive, and as they’re running my operating system already there’s no information that MS couldn’t already take if they wanted it.
That said, a lot of people here seem to like Bitdefender.
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Unless you’re sticking with Windows Seven, there is no need for any third party active antivirus program. Windows Defender is plenty good, especially if reinforced with on-demand scanners and an occasional Cloud Scan from a reputable company (for the most recent threats).
-- rc primak
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I gave up using Avast years ago. I don’t remember the precise reasoning at that time, but generally when I have given up anti-virus/malware products it’s been because they became overly bloated, too prone to false positives, or simply over-stretched themselves in terms of trying to fit too many functions into a single product.
What this revelation shows among other things is that there’s truth in the old saying that there’s no such thing as a free lunch, or in this case, a free anti-virus product. Everything has a cost, it’s just that with some things the cost is hidden.
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Or, as the saying goes: “If it is free, you are the product.”
Or perhaps that needs some updating. Let’s see… how about this: “Even if you paid for it, you still might be the product”?
Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).
MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV1 user thanked author for this post.
I’m astounded at the effort that is invested in assembling data about people. All for what? A little better advantage in selling me the same old schlock? Personally, I think that while data mania may continue awhile longer, the day will come when buyers reassess its value.
Some will continue to crave data, no doubt. Government at all levels, in its never-ending lust for power and control (think what China is doing). Scammers and other criminals trying to identify easy marks.
When the priority is put on marketing rather that designing and building a great product, it’s an early sign of a wasting disease. This is that, on steroids.
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WDBurt1: Google alone makes at least tens of billions of annual dollars of revenue from its ad platforms. Companies like Norton, Avast, Facebook , Amazon and even Bitdefender want their own revenues from this new, wild west which has expanded world-wide. There’s not only never-imagined money in this, but also widespread, ubiquitous behavioral modification via surreptitious, destructive to personal choice ad servers.
Human, who sports only naturally-occurring DNA ~ oneironaut ~ broadcaster
There are other free anti-virus solutions out there. Microsoft seems to have done okay in Windows 10 with Windows Defender; it sure is better than nothing. Kaspersky and Bitdefender both offer free versions of their software that offer basic protection – better than nothing, although not better than paying for the full package. And if you’re on a secure-by-design OS like macOS, iOS, or Android, you don’t really need anti-virus. Android Anti-Virus? Seriously, those apps are just as restricted by the app sandboxing system as the malicious app on your phone that you can uninstall anyways, and if the malware got in through a security hole, no anti-virus app can help with that.
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Thanks, sounds like I really don’t need it on my android tablet.
The AVG is free for tablets and is becoming too much with ads and offers.
Time to delete the app, don’t you think? Wink..nod…Win 10 Home 22H2
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Anti-virus on Android is virtually impossible to justify. The Android OS by itself is well secure to defend against malicious apps, so long as sideloading is disabled and as long as you exercise good vigilant behavior (as everyone should anyway). Downloading a calculator app that asks for permission to modify your system settings is something no smart user should do.
Most anti-virus software developers for Android really don’t have much protection to offer, aside from snake oil battery saver app killers that do more harm and good, and “cleanup” tools that do things that you can do without an app anyway. In fact, some anti-virus apps for Android are malware themselves.
Lastly, Android devices ship with what is essentially anti-virus built into the system: Google Play Protect. It scans your apps for malicious activity automatically and works non-intrusively to protect you behind the scenes. So kiss those silly third-party anti-virus apps goodbye.
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I stopped using AVG, Avast, Avira, Panda and others several years ago as they all seemed to increasingly devolve into simplistic, dumbed-down UIs that often limited the users ability to know and manage what the software actually did.
Also, the attempt to be “all things to all security needs” turned me off. Have you ever tried to use a Leatherman-style multi-tool to do serious work? I prefer picking a high quality, made-to-purpose specific tool from my toolbox. Same with software.
Those things alone pushed me away – let along the dystopian move toward “surveillance capitalism”.
Win10 Pro x64 22H2, Win10 Home 22H2, Linux Mint + a cat with 'tortitude'.
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And who believes Avast is the only one?
W10 is all about data mining and selling information.
Users are not customers, they are the product.
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W10 is all about data mining and selling information.
Microsoft does not mine data or sell information.
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Microsoft does not mine data or sell information.
They most certainly do collect data about all sorts of things, because the data is valuable to them. If it’s valuable to them it could certainly be valuable to others.
And let’s not forget that anyone could lose control of what they have collected at some point in the future. It can happen to anyone. Nobody’s perfect.
People concerned about privacy are not necessarily accusing anyone of malice or misdeeds. They simply know that if someone doesn’t have their information, no one else can get it from them.
-Noel
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I think the data gathering is opt-in according to the article
Only since last week. Not last year, until their browser extension was removed from three stores.
So their behavior only changed after they got caught. (Sounds familiar somehow, right now.)
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How unexpected is to hear this
fortunately I stopped using Avast 4 months ago, and not because I wanted to stop using it, but because I keep getting errors on event viewer and it crashes alot (Had to replace it with Avira)
I am happy to learn I made the right choice by dropping that antivirus
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The last time I installed CCleaner about a year ago, it silently installed Avast AV and disabled Windows Defender, which is my preferred AV product. I didn’t even know that this had happened until I ran CCleaner and it showed be the Avast AV processes.
That’s when I knew something seriously stunk about this company. I’d already known that CCleaner is itself mostly snake-oil…. no, your computer doesn’t run faster because you deleted 300 registry keys, but you’re going to want to believe it does because you just spent $25 on it…… but installing software I didn’t ask for is not something that above-board companies would ever need to do.
This news doesn’t surprise me one bit.
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And who believes Avast is the only one?
W10 is all about data mining and selling information.
Users are not customers, they are the product.
Microsoft has had data-collection programs in their products since the introduction of Windows XP and Office XP in 2001. The “Customer Experience Improvement Program”, they called it.
Almost 20 years in and we still haven’t heard a single case of data collected by Microsoft through CEIP or telemetry being sold out to third parties. None. Surely someone would have snitched by now, right?
All of this having been said, many antivirus products install some sort of browser extension, and these are often opt-out, not opt-in. Avira has done this to my Windows 10, and I still have to use AdwCleaner from Malwarebytes even after uninstalling Avira with Geek Uninstaller. I still haven’t figured out how to completely remove the CCleaner Browser Processes and Services from Windows 10.
-- rc primak
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We jumped the ship and abandoned all Avast products 3+ years ago, when the company took a completely wrong direction. Bloating products with useless junk, flooding with upsell advertisements, abandoning “forever free” Avast Business cloud, focusing on wannabe “fancy” GUIs instead of functionality…
Good decision, apparently. What a shame, they used to be top notch. 🙁
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Avast became predatory around 2015. It didn’t take a rocket scientist back then to realize they needed to be shooed out of the henhouse in a hurry.
I shudder whenever I perceive that most folks seem convinced they NEED an antivirus program, as though it’s a certainty that malware is going to get in. It’s just like taking antibiotics continuously to ward off infection. What a gargantuan waste of resources is being expended on tiger repellent.
-Noel
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Anti Virus (AV) may help reduce the dangers presented by an old threat in the Internet, that of… viruses, as well as of worms, trojans and root-kits. Other anti-malware software helps users protect themselves against older threats: worms, trojans, root-kits again, and the new and particularly intrusive forms of surveillance and exploitation of personal information, targeted to exploit people’s need for accessing the Web, for many of us an inescapable part of daily life, these days.
It is true that, over the years, the various antivirus applications I have used have detected a rather small number of items provided with no good purpose in mind by those trying to plant them inside my HD, and who knows how many were missed and are still lying low in there. But I can’t see the harm and appreciate the slight upside of using AV.
I don’t allow any add-ons in my browsers that are not strictly needed, and that includes all those provided by the makers of AV and other forms of protection. While I think AV has a place in my menu of defensive software, I don’t think that they belong in my browsers. For that I count on those defenses offered by the browsers themselves. In particular, my default browser in Mac, Windows 7 and Linux is Waterfox, that is known for being well put-together and for being developed by reasonably decent people.
How effective are my protective measures? Well, how long is a piece of string?
I take those measures I’ve mentioned in the middle and at the end of my daily session and that is as far as I am prepared to go. Then I wish myself good luck and am done for the day. Taking my own temperature every fifteen minutes is not my idea of how to live a good life, so I don’t.
Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).
MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
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Yup, and thanks again for nudging me to ditch my AV years ago. I remember I had to pry Avast off my system because it refused to uninstall properly even using their tool. Had to manually delete all Avast registry entries, delete files manually etc… that was, what, like three years ago now? No problems.
They really don’t do anything. Using browser extensions (uBlock, uMatrix), a host file or DNS server to blacklist questionable sites, not clicking on weird stuff in emails and just not being silly about what you download and install on your system mitigates most of the risk really. It is better to prevent things from getting in in the first place. Couldn’t be happier. I occasionally run a MWB scan and nothing ever turns up. Defender never finds anything, either. Nothing gets in. I am very satisfied with my security setup which will soon include a Pi Hole to replace my current DNS blacklisting solution.
All my AV ever did was get in my way and annoy me. Good riddance. Of course, people should do whatever they feel is right for them, but this idea that you “need” an AV is bogus. I am reminded of a quote I once heard: “Nonsense is still nonsense even when spoken by world-famous scientists” .. the same holds true for tech experts that insist you need an AV. They are wrong, I prove it every single day now for three years running.
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I have to assume that many other add-on products might follow Avast in harvesting our data to make extra money.
For example, a friend asked me to look at their brand-new Win 10 machine, and mentioned that the pre-installed McAfee anti-whatever was generating popups warning that the user would be “unprotected” if they did not sign up for a subscription. So, first I did the normal Win 10 uninstall, but still downloaded McAfee’s own removal tool and ran that as well. I expect that their machine will be fine with Windows Defender.
Look, just PAY for your antivirus! Antivirus programs need continuous work to deal with constantly emerging threats and the people who do that work need to eat and have a roof over their heads – somebody has to pay the piper. Even the folks who create free open-source software will have some job that pays the bills and allows them the time to do the side projects, and there will be companies that support that overall project.
I do NOT want to rent software, but I’m willing to pay for new efforts to extend antivirus protection and remove the temptation to monetize the effort some other way.
(Personally, I use ESET Internet Security and have for many years – lightweight, hardly noticeable and never an infection on any computer I’ve been in charge of.)
Win 7 Pro, 64-Bit, Group B ESU,Ivy Bridge i3-3110M, 2.4GHz, 4GB, XP Mode VM, WordPerfectI’m not completely sure about this but it seems like Windows, starting with Win XP puts up one heck of a fuss if you don’t have an Antivirus Program installed.
Windows Defender is present in Windows 10, and holds that function.
Microsoft Security Essentials (or its descendant) has gotten an extended lifespan for Windows 7 through 2023, although it is no longer available for download (I’m sure several OldApps type sites still make it available)
As both are no cost, it’s relatively easy to get around needing a paid antivirus.
Just meant as an info…
Microsoft Security Essentials is still today available for download…
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=5201
Look, just PAY for your antivirus! Antivirus programs need continuous work to deal with constantly emerging threats and the people who do that work need to eat and have a roof over their heads – somebody has to pay the piper. Even the folks who create free open-source software will have some job that pays the bills and allows them the time to do the side projects, and there will be companies that support that overall project.
I do NOT want to rent software, but I’m willing to pay for new efforts to extend antivirus protection and remove the temptation to monetize the effort some other way.
(Personally, I use ESET Internet Security and have for many years – lightweight, hardly noticeable and never an infection on any computer I’ve been in charge of.)
Also remember that AV (whether paid or free) will not protect against zero-day attacks. Some people layer their defenses with additional firewall software or security programs like OSArmor (which I use, and it’s free). I also hear people liking Voodooshield for those more technically inclined, which is not exactly the same, but OSArmor is MOSTLY “set and forget “, which I prefer.
Look, just PAY for your antivirus! Antivirus programs need continuous work to deal with constantly emerging threats and the people who do that work need to eat and have a roof over their heads – somebody has to pay the piper. Even the folks who create free open-source software will have some job that pays the bills and allows them the time to do the side projects, and there will be companies that support that overall project.
I do NOT want to rent software, but I’m willing to pay for new efforts to extend antivirus protection and remove the temptation to monetize the effort some other way.
(Personally, I use ESET Internet Security and have for many years – lightweight, hardly noticeable and never an infection on any computer I’ve been in charge of.)
Ricard,
Please explain to me HOW someone is supposed to pay a monthly or yearly fee out of the $550 per month that I get for my TOTAL retirement income??? I HAVE to take advantage of ALL the free stuff I can. IF you can, please SHOW ME how I can afford $49 per month for antivirus software?????
It really irritates me when someone simply says “Buy it” when they hae no idea what the other person’s financial status is.
Anyway, sorry about the rant.
Dave
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please SHOW ME how I can afford $49 per month for antivirus software?????
There is no AV that cost $49 per month. Per year maybe.
You have to balance paying for an AV vs your PC getting virus, ransomware, botnet… and then spending hours cleaning, restoring… or paying $200+ to a technician to recover the data you lost…
I pay $35 annually to renew my Kaspersky AV. I create twice a month a full image + daily incremental updates + daily File History backups.
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Yeah you can typically find deals on paid security suites for a small price. Overall will probably offer you a better experience and a few more features then the free ones. I like Windows Defender myself, I am very mindful of my web use and don’t have a problem with a minimal security option. There was a time when AVG and Avast were very good options, but those days seem to have been over awhile ago.
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I apologize. I should have phrased it differently, if you CAN afford to buy antivirus, do so, in which case, I think my argument holds.
I do take advantage of free stuff on the internet, and am glad of it and am thankful to the individuals who are able to provide free stuff without needing to monetize it, especially for others who can not afford it. But I think it is a pernicious trend for people to think that everything should somehow be free, because, again, as the saying goes: one way or another, somebody has to pay the piper.
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Freeware is certainly not free and getting worse. No guarantee paid software isn’t sucking data from you anymore.
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Some antivirus software will ask or turn back on web shields when the program updates. If you keep it off, there are still automatic sample submission features that could harm privacy. Antivirus software runs with top secret clearance on your computer, the highest permission levels. You want it to keep you secure, to not worsen your privacy, and to not make your system unreliable. About privacy, can Avast/AVG (same company) be trusted to stop taking your data? Now that they have been caught and announced they are shutting down Jumpshot, I kind of trust that they will stop. It feels more likely that with the eyes they will have on them that they will be less likely to do this than competitors.
You decide who you trust to be good for privacy, security, and computer reliability. With the talk of no boot computers caused by non-Microsoft antivirus software conflicting with updates, if you are one person on Windows 10, I would recommend Defender. Check the settings about sample submission if you want extra privacy. And if you like, sometimes do a scan with Malwarebytes.
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