Do you want Win10 Fall Creators Update? Here are your options

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Thorough article by Gregg Keizer at Computerworld. Of course, my old admonishment applies. Wait a while and let the unpaid beta testers shake out the
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I already got my copy of Win10_1709_English_x64.iso from the Software Download page yesterday using wget which showed:

Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=Win10_1709_English_x64.iso
Last-Modified: Sun, 01 Oct 2017 05:24:48 GMT
Content-Length: 4697362432

I’ll be curious to look and see if what this says is true for the this ISO I got:

“Each of the editions (Windows 10 Pro, Windows 10 Enterprise, Windows 10 Education) will point to the exact same .iso, so you only need to download [it] once,” said Michael Niehaus, director of product marketing for Windows.

I copied Win10_1709_English_x64.iso to my test system, clicked to open it, clicked on setup.exe and told it to “Keep nothing” to see what would happen. The resulting install left behind the other folders I had created on C:\ but everything else is from scratch, i.e. computer and user names, user SID, all other settings. The best outcome was a 30 minute install instead of a 60 minute update. I had disconnected from the internet after the install was underway. That way I had a chance to reconfigure before going online again. Mostly I just uninstalled the all apps I could using settings and deleted all the tiles from start menu since I don’t use those any more. Also I changed every setting in the registry under

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\ContentDeliveryManager

to zero. The result was no CandyCrush or any other suggested apps were installed when the system was subsequently reconnected to the internet. As expected activation happened only once the system was online. Yawn. I don’t see what all the fuss is about. The new video playback settings to stream videos in HDR are absolutely meaningless to me since I don’t stream videos nor do I have a 4K display.

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Thanks for posting the link.

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\ContentDeliveryManager

All the values to 0 eh? I think I’ll try that as well. I had most set to 0 in v1703. The names of some of them (e.g., “ContentDeliveryAllowed” worried me that perhaps they could kill Windows Update itself.

Edit: It just booted up – it took 40 minutes as an upgrade (keep everything) installing from the downloaded ISO in a VM backed by an SSD array here.

-Noel

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“Each of the editions (Windows 10 Pro, Windows 10 Enterprise, Windows 10 Education) will point to the exact same .iso, so you only need to download [it] once,” said Michael Niehaus, director of product marketing for Windows.

Well guess so—almost—no Windows 10 Enterprise though. Here are the particulars:

For the 4,697,362,432 byte Win10_1709_English_x64.iso file:
MD5: 5e8bdef20c4b468f868f1f579197f7cf
SHA-1: 1ad928cfef439f6aa4044ddc3a96b0b6830bdd0f

Click mounted Win10_1709_English_x64.iso as E:\:
DISM.exe /Get-WimInfo /WimFile:E:\sources\install.wim

Deployment Image Servicing and Management tool
Version: 10.0.15063.0

Details for image : E:\sources\install.wim

Index : 1
Name : Windows 10 S
Description : Windows 10 S
Size : 15,748,508,043 bytes

Index : 2
Name : Windows 10 S N
Description : Windows 10 S N
Size : 14,682,635,068 bytes

Index : 3
Name : Windows 10 Home
Description : Windows 10 Home
Size : 15,567,580,753 bytes

Index : 4
Name : Windows 10 Home N
Description : Windows 10 Home N
Size : 14,496,690,559 bytes

Index : 5
Name : Windows 10 Home Single Language
Description : Windows 10 Home Single Language
Size : 15,569,063,438 bytes

Index : 6
Name : Windows 10 Education
Description : Windows 10 Education
Size : 15,746,024,004 bytes

Index : 7
Name : Windows 10 Education N
Description : Windows 10 Education N
Size : 14,680,122,009 bytes

Index : 8
Name : Windows 10 Pro
Description : Windows 10 Pro
Size : 15,746,775,851 bytes

Index : 9
Name : Windows 10 Pro N
Description : Windows 10 Pro N
Size : 14,680,828,085 bytes

The operation completed successfully.

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Did a clean install last night for a buddy of mine who was adamant that he wanted the “latest & greatest” and an avid gamer so I couldnt see if the Xbox remove and App’s Power shell scipts work. (I would imagine so) In fact I only got to spend 5 mins with it after install and installing kb4043961 offline. Well nothing really sprung out of the screen at first, appearence wise still looks the same as 1703 (acrylic? Hmmm) ran a dism /get-wiminfo cmd take a couple of screenshots and copy the .iso image to a USB. Hey got a house full of happy cell phone streamers here 3.5GB of data saved thats a few tunes lol. Well it seems to work but nothing to make me go through the update/clean install trauma. This time round for your added enjoyment if you make the .iso using Microsoft Media tool for use on another machine i.e. dont use the default settings box you get Win10S and Win10Edu should you wish a “walk on the wild side” But as ever go with Woody’s advice wait for the “calm after the storm” as it doesent seem that different, but hey that could be me

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Strange that the sizes for ISO versus the ESD file are slightly different. Your gamer buddy might find this of interest:

“A new anti-cheat feature for games, dubbed ‘TruePlay’, was added by Microsoft in the Windows 10 Fall Creators Update. Developers will be able to use this tool to combat cheating in PC games.” by Hamza Jawad

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lol thx for that yeah I just read about the cheat feature this morning and I really havent the heart to say as I know he does cheat theres a stack of game shortcuts/cheats at the side of his machine.
Strange you got the install.wim as opposed to the install.esd, its rare that I use .esd as a format as it takes too long and is similar to the dism switch /compress:maximum roughly by “rule of thumb” about a 1/3 more compression. It really depends on which version of dism your using. If memory serves me right it all changed with Win8.0 where they depreciated imagex in favour of dism. Compression really only becomes a factor if your deploying fully updated “offline” images say after “sysprep”-ing the image then saving to an .iso format which RUFUS finds hard to deal with anything over 4gb for creating a USB installer image. Thats if your targetting the image for a UEFI x64 machine say on a GPT disk. As a work around contrary to popular opinion you can still “split wim’s” and they will install incurring a 5min premium on an install time, but not .esd’s alas.
I wasnt going to bother with 1709 at all but seeing as I have an .iso well if I have a minute or two I may chance a little look in either a .vhd or .vhdx, purely for research purposes. Hey you never know I may like it lol

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According to Mauro Huculak “Windows 10 Fall Creators Update: The 14 best new features” here’s what you get:

1. Microsoft Fluent Design System
2. OneDrive Files On-Demand
3. My People
4. Windows 10 Emoji
5. HDR support for gaming and monitors
6. Cortana now in the Settings app
7. Cortana system voice commands
8. Continuity (phone linking)
9. Windows Update bandwidth control
10. Microsoft Edge PDF reader
11. Windows Defender Controlled Folder Access
12. Power Throttling
13. Right-click share
14. Story Remix
Not mentioned: TruePlay

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Intel®Core™2 “Wolfdale” E8400 3.0 GHz / 8.00 GB
HP ProDesk 400 G5 SFF PC / Windows 11 Pro / 23H2
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Ugh… I’d specifically want not to have nearly everything on that list.  #11 may be the lone exception, depending on how it is implemented.  It just keeps getting worse with each new release, and for these “features” we’re supposed to accept all of this instability, breakage of drivers, resetting my carefully chosen system settings, reinstallation of detritus I don’t want back… there’s no upside.  It’s a price that has to be paid in order for a worse product than what I had.

If those are the best features, what are the worst ones?

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Thorough article by Gregg Keizer at Computerworld. Of course, my old admonishment applies. Wait a while and let the unpaid beta testers shake out the[See the full post at: Do you want Win10 Fall Creators Update? Here are your options]

I went through the various options in you listed in your October 15th post:  https://www.computerworld.com/article/3232632/microsoft-windows/how-to-block-windows-10-fall-creators-update-from-installing.html .  The results:

1. I have Win 10 pro, ver 1607 (OS Build 14393.1593) & the previous methods now seem unable to delay the Win 10 1709 update.

2. The “Defer feature updates” is greyed out in Advanced settings.

3. Using GPE to “defang” it doesn’t work. Still greyed out.

The download is progressing, despite my efforts. I wound up turning off my web connection to interrupt the download. Are there any other alternatives to keep MS from forcing the update?

-MD

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