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    Sunday morning, I opened Outlook on my main PC to see what had come in overnight. To my surprise, there was no new email to my Verizon (AOL) account.

    In recent weeks, I’d been experiencing strange email behavior: one associate wasn’t receiving mail sent from the Verizon account and I’d had to use a different address and mail server to get stuff to him. In addition, email intended for me seemed to get lost in cyberspace randomly (not all the time). But now there was a full-blown crisis where nothing at all was coming in or going out—test emails to others weren’t leaving my PC, and their emails to me were not showing up. Outlook reported an assortment of error messages in relation with connecting to the servers.

    So I launched a browser to check Verizon webmail (which is now handled by AOL) and, sure enough, there was all my new mail waiting for me. One of them, from early Sunday morning, came from AOL itself, which cryptically informed me that

    The security of your AOL account is important to us. In light of reported security issues or suspicious activity on an account, please change your password. [link deleted]

    No more details were given, no indication as to the nature of the “security issue” or “suspicious activity”. Contacting AOL customer service was out of the question, as typically their “answer” is to try to upsell you to a higher-tier service; so it was up to me to research and discover what to do about this strange problem.

    Over the next day and a half, I tried all the usual recommendations:

    1. Disabling the Windows firewall
    2. Disabling the AV software
    3. Running Outlook in Safe Mode
    4. Disabling Outlook add-ons
    5. Running scanpst.exe to fix possible .PST file corruption
    6. Archiving old emails to decrease the size of the main .PST file
    7. Changing (as AOL suggested) the password to open the webmail inbox
    8. I even changed the “app password” that’s now required of Outlook in order to access AOL mail.

    None of this made any difference. Then late last night, while continuing to look into this and now weighing the prospect of migrating to a new email address, I chanced on this post on the Verizon community forum:

    …I checked my POP3 settings and they were all changed from pop and smtp.verizon.net to pop and smtp.mail.yahoo.com.

    Based on this report and using the solution given in that thread, I went into the Outlook settings—and sure enough, my incoming and outgoing servers had been changed to Yahoo without my knowledge or participation! WTF. When I changed them back to Verizon servers, my mail suddenly started flowing again into Outlook.

    I did not know that it was possible for an email provider to reach into its users’ mail clients and change settings. Is that what happened here? I can’t imagine what else could have made the change: the PC came up clean on several different malware scans.

    Has anybody else experienced this sort of thing with their email provider? Any theories or insights as to what was going on?

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    • #2724634

      to check Verizon webmail (which is now handled by AOL)

      It seems more likely you changed them ages ago when AOL took over the mail and someone made a change at AOL that stopped the redirect to Verizon servers.

      cheers, Paul

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        Paul, just to make sure that I understand what you’re saying—do you mean that maybe years ago, when AOL took over Verizon’s email service, I myself may have changed the settings in Outlook from Verizon to Yahoo?

        If so, then let me throw something else into the mix: under that Verizon email account, I have an email sub-account with a different address at verizon.net. Email for that sub-account (also POP3) is downloaded to a different computer on a different email client software. It hasn’t experienced any of these difficulties. I just checked, and the incoming and outgoing servers for that sub-account are still set to pop.verizon.net and smtp.verizon.net.

        Also, my wife has her own separate verizon.net address, and her Outlook, too, retains the verizon.net server settings. Something weird happened with mine, and it has me scratching my head.

         

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        • #2724837

          Something weird happened with mine

          I always find this is a result of stuff I have done. Updates generally don’t mess with your configuration.

          cheers, Paul

          • #2724894

            Paul, these three accounts have received the same amount of attention, and only one of my two got changed all of a sudden.

            It doesn’t make sense that, at some point in the near or distant past, I might have changed my email server settings but not those for my alternative account or for my wife, who uses the same email service provider. And it makes even less sense that, somehow, Outlook might have been sending and receiving my Verizon mail via the yahoo.com servers without issue, at the same time as my wife was getting her Verizon mail via verizon.net servers. Remember, it was only when I went in and changed my settings (back) to verizon.net that the problem ended and I started getting email again.

            Something happened early Sunday morning (when I was asleep in bed) to change the email server settings on my Outlook. It sure wasn’t my wife, who approaches her PC as a black box that does magic; and our house alarm was set and did not go off, so it couldn’t have been anyone else sitting at my computer.

            I welcome any other hypotheses for what might have happened.

             

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              @Cybertooth, although I can’t offer any hypothesis, I really sympathize with you 🙁 As another one who uses Outlook with 2 different verizon.net accounts, I remember when we had to go through the so-called “migration” after Verizon bought AOL (and Yahoo!) plus AOL’s “app password” *&^% because we use Outlook.

              I cannot imagine how your POP3 settings had been changed suddenly from verizon to yahoo when neither your wife’s nor my verizon.net address server settings were. I’m sure you did not make the change — heck, at no time was ‘yahoo’ even mentioned in any of AOL’s instructions.

              Thank you for posting the link to the solution; I’m glad your email is back to normal.

              Win 7 SP1 Home Premium 64-bit; Office 2010; Group B (SaS); Former 'Tech Weenie'
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              @SueW, thank you for understanding!

              You’re correct, of course—there was never the slightest motivation to change the settings in Outlook to a Yahoo server. AOL’s own published instructions always directed Outlook users to set the mail servers to verizon.net, never to yahoo.com. I would have changed them to yahoo.com only if I’d wanted to give myself a headache!

              Much appreciated!

               

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    • #2725016

      Something happened early Sunday morning (when I was asleep…

      That is the time I find the sock gremlins stealing my socks.  🙂

      Always opt for the simplest solution (Occam’s Razor), and that is “I forgot I made the change”.

      cheers, Paul

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    • #2725328

      Always opt for the simplest solution (Occam’s Razor), and that is “I forgot I made the change”.

      Paul T:  I love this.  I am a big fan of the “razors”, Occam’s and Hanlon’s.  It’s very rare to see someone mention one these nuggets by name.  Made my day!

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    • #2725360

      Something happened early Sunday morning (when I was asleep…

      That is the time I find the sock gremlins stealing my socks.  🙂

      Always opt for the simplest solution (Occam’s Razor), and that is “I forgot I made the change”.

      cheers, Paul

      Let’s remember that it was Sunday morning (when I was sleeping) that the cryptic note from AOL was sent, warning me of some unspecified “reported security issues or suspicious activity”, and that this was the point at which Outlook stopped downloading email to my PC.

      The key to what I experienced lies in that event. As I see it, there are two possibilities:

      1. There was a successful attack involving (not necessarily directly on) my Verizon email account, and the attacker maliciously changed my Outlook settings; or
      2. There was an unsuccessful attack involving (not necessarily directly on) my email account, and AOL changed my Outlook settings in some kind of attempt to protect the account.

      There may be other explanations and I welcome plausible theories. But the theory that somewhere along the line, I myself changed my verizon.net server settings to yahoo.com, is not among them. Occam’s Razor (choose the simplest explanation that takes the known facts into account) has been applied incorrectly here, because the proffered explanation doesn’t account for all the known facts. To maintain this explanation, we would have to believe that either

      • I changed the settings willy-nilly (with no prompting from AOL or anyone else) so long ago that I don’t remember doing it—and yet my email continued to work all the while without issue until Sunday morning (at the very moment when, by sheer coincidence, something happened to make it stop working which the “I forgot” hypothesis also doesn’t account for), even as other Verizon accounts using the correct servers also worked without issue; or
      • I changed the settings Sunday morning, which I would definitely remember having done unless I did it in my sleep.

       

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