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    • #2761093

      What camp are you in?

      I’m in the camp of being in control. I don’t like someone else decide on my behalf what’s best for me. Yet we’re all heading in that direction, by making everything as-a-service. This as-a-service thing isn’t exactly new. For example, car rentals. The rental company buys the car, pays taxes and maintenance and I pay rent and gas. New-style as-a-service means I buy the car, pay rent, maintenance and gas. And I need to pay the rental company to be able to drive. And I shouldn’t be surprised if the rental company occasionally changes something on my car. Like changing it from stick-shift to automate. Would anyone buy a car under these terms?

       

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      • #2761119

        The problem with your analogy is that you are not purchasing Windows. You are buying a license to use Windows under the terms that Microsoft sets. You have to agree to the license terms to use Windows. One of the terms is that Microsoft gets to do whatever it wants to the product. Your choice is to use it or not. Of course, there are many tools available to change much of Windows’s behavior. If that is not acceptable to you, you must investigate an alternative OS.

        --Joe

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    • #2761136

      …without a Microsoft account, you can’t set up Windows Hello

      I have Windows Hello setup on all local accounts on all my installations, use a PIN for all of them, and do not have a Microsoft account on any of them.

      Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!
      We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems; we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.
      We were all once "Average Users".

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      • #2761143

        I have Windows Hello setup on all local accounts on all my installations, use a PIN for all of them, and do not have a Microsoft account on any of them.

        To add to that correct statement, while you DO need a local password to setup up Windows Hello, after Windows Hello is setup (with a PIN and/or Biometrics), you can remove the password by entering blank in both fields and STILL have a functioning Windows Hello.

        PW

        I have a fingerprint reader and a few of my apps and logins like ID.me utilize it. It is especially useful for my PW Manager. But, when I start my machine, it boots right into Windows with no password. (I do utilize a Disk Protection PW prior to Windows.)

        • #2761200

          you can remove the password by entering blank in both fields and STILL have a functioning Windows Hello.

          I keep my password. There are some circumstances, like hardware changes, that make your PIN unavailable, and you can only sign in with your password. Happened to me just yesterday when I installed a graphics card.

          Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!
          We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems; we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.
          We were all once "Average Users".

      • #2761162

        Agreed, I also use Windows Hello with a pin on my Windows 11 machine with a local account only.

    • #2761182

      Great article.  Still tracking all the bugs and annoyances this many months after a big update is boggling.  Gonna be a wild 6 months ahead with W10 users upgrading.

      Will J Stewart
      Independent IT 25 years
      Austin, Texas

    • #2761189

      There is an even easier, albeit more expensive, way around this — buy a PC that comes with Windows 11 Pro. Because Pro allows you to configure a PC by joining a domain, you can set up a local account. Unfortunately, consumer PCs that come with Pro are rare, indeed. Even Microsoft does not offer a Windows Pro option on its “Pro” Surface models. Of course, the ability to upgrade to Windows Pro is available within Settings, but the cost is slightly higher than you would pay when buying it with the PC, and you must take the time to install the upgrade after you’ve initially set up the PC.

      Getting a machine with Windows 11 Pro isn’t as hard as implied. The main thing is that to get that, you can’t just walk into a Big Box store and walk out with a computer with a Pro version on it. Everything available in floor stock is going to be with a Home version.

      Instead, the way to a machine with a Pro version is buying online, and looking for the business-oriented channels (stay away from “home and home office”), where nearly all the stock comes configured with Pro versions, except possibly the lowest possible options offered on Build-to-Order setups.

       

    • #2761191

      Instead, the way to a machine with a Pro version is buying online, and looking for the business-oriented channels

      All “Gaming” PCs come with Pro version (and dedicated GPU).

    • #2761218

      @sb

      I’ve been promising a step-by-step guide to help you migrate to Windows 11 as neatly and safely as possible. This isn’t it.

      I’m planning that for May

      Unfortunately my new system arrives next week and can’t wait – bummer.

      In the meantime, can someone describe (or link) how to utilize the “join a Domain” process when setting up Windows 11 Pro – step by step?  I though I recall there being some wrinkles or hassles with that method tying the user into some more business like modes?

      I would like to have it handy in the event the other Shift + F10 methods don’t allow me a Local Account at setup.

      Windows 10 Pro x64 v22H2 and Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64 (RIP)
      • #2761223

        Choose “Work or School” account instead of “Personal” when asked when setting up Win11 Pro.

        • #2761230

          …but don’t you have to provide some Domain information that you claim to be joining?

          And does this mess with Windows setup settings behind the scene even tho you get to set up a Local Account?

           

          Windows 10 Pro x64 v22H2 and Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64 (RIP)
          • #2761232

            You asked what you have to do. I answered what you have to do.

            Choose “Work or School” account instead of “Personal” when asked when setting up Win11 Pro.

          • #2761241

            See: #2759827, 6 days ago.

            I set up Win11 Pro 24H2 in a Parallels 20 VM on my (relatively) new M4 Pro MacMini yesterday. Used the “for Work or School” option in the setup – Local ID with the full ID name (7 characters including a space) as User folder. No BYPASSNRO to get in the way. No hassle trying to use the Local ID.

            • #2761269

              Used the “for Work or School” option in the setup – Local ID with the full ID name (7 characters including a space) as User folder

              Sorry, Still don’t fully understand what you input after selecting to join a Domain.  Doesn’t Windows request information regarding the Domain you are trying to join?  Like a name, a number, an email, or something?  What do you input at this point? Just ignore and it sends you to Local Account setup?

              Can you pls fill in the steps/info to input after you select join a Domain up to where Windows provides a Local Account creation screen?

              What does the “Local ID with 7 with the full ID name” refer to?

              Windows 10 Pro x64 v22H2 and Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64 (RIP)
            • #2761283

              Sorry, Still don’t fully understand what you input after selecting to join a Domain. Doesn’t Windows request information regarding the Domain you are trying to join? Like a name, a number, an email, or something? What do you input at this point? Just ignore and it sends you to Local Account setup?

              I didn’t say I selected a domain. I didn’t join any Domain (don’t have one, didn’t try to connect to one, didn’t enter any information or “something”). I said I chose a “School or Work” account. Didn’t run into BYPASSNRO (never saw it). Didn’t have to enter “Shift-F10” (or whatever it is). Why do you have to invent what I said/did?
              My Local ID is my initials-space-my last name (7 characters including a space). Exactly like the post says.
              Read my post, please. there are no hidden sentences between the words.

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            • #2761766

              Thanks for the response.  I’m trying to learn all the steps to create a Local Account by what many folks call “join a domain”.  Perhaps my question was presumptuous, but with that in mind, it seems logical that there would be some interaction required with something called a “domain” (no matter how small) during the set up process.

              Note that I have not had the benefit of seeing any of these setup screens yet.

              Maybe there is more than one way to approach this method to get to a Local Account sign up screen?

              Found the below on ElevenForum where these folks, after choosing work/school, then for login option use choose join domain, system then continues with a Local Account.

              https://www.elevenforum.com/t/microsoft-blocks-all-options-to-bypass-ms-account-on-new-installs.19342/page-10#post-570335

              Doesn’t Windows request information regarding the Domain you are trying to join? Like a name, a number, an email, or something? What do you input at this point? Just ignore and it sends you to Local Account setup?

              The above reference (if correct) seems to answer my own questions.

              Windows 10 Pro x64 v22H2 and Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64 (RIP)
          • #2761778

            No, you don’t have to join a domain.  Just follow the path to where doing so is presented as an available option that you can then bypass.

      • #2761237

        A few useful posts.

        I set up Win11 Pro 24H2… Used the “for Work or School” option in the setup… No hassle trying to use the Local ID.

        Here’s a new one I just read about in PCWorld newsletter:
        Press: Shift+F10
        Type: Start ms-chx:localonly
        Follow the prompts to create a local user. Setup continues normally

        reg add HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\OOBE /v BypassNRO /t REG_DWORD /d 1 /f
        shutdown /r /t 0
        You could just type those two commands into the Command Window yourself.

        cheers, Paul

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    • #2761246

      I’ve been using Microsoft operating systems since MSDOS. I have tried Linux on and off a few times, but always returned to Windows. With the recent unsettling changes from Microsoft, which you document so well, I have begun using Linux Mint. At first I used a dual boot system, and after a few weeks reformatted the drive and installed only Linux. It’s not been easy, but I am getting my workflow closer to what I have been used to. I feel great about not having Big Brother watching and controlling me.

      I suggest that Ask Woody begin writing about Linux in the same way you have covered Windows. I believe that I’m not the only one of your readers desiring to leave the chaos that is Microsoft.

      For businesses especially, Ubuntu LTS, a Linux version, is guaranteed 5 years of OS stability, versus zero guaranteed stability of Windows. Consumers would also benefit.

      So, whaddya say? How about a Linux column in every issue of Ask Woody?

      Microsoft user since MSDOS.
      Linux user since 2025.

    • #2761305

      I just set up a new PC with Windows 11 Home preinstalled.
      I was not connected to the Internet for the complete process.
      I created a local account using the
      WinJS-Microsoft-Account-Bypass
      that Susan posted the link for.
      The whole process took about 5 minutes.
      It came with 23H2. I paused updates for a few weeks until I can enter the stop for updating to 24H2.
      I then connected to the Internet.
      Currently set up with KVM switch to share the mouse, keyboard, monitor, and all external drives to both my Windows 10 and my new Windows 11.
      Since I stopped the Updates, I did have to trigger a reset of the date & time for my time zone.

      HTH, Dana:))

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      • #2761556

        Did it come pre-encrypted? Have you kept / removed encryption?

        cheers, Paul

    • #2761330

      I shall stay with Win 10 Pro  🙂

    • #2761365

      If that is not acceptable to you, you must investigate an alternative OS.

      There’s the problem. I don’t generate income by using an OS but by using applications. A lot of (business) applications are tied to a single OS. So are mine – they are tied to Windows. And the competitors products are also tied to Windows. So I don’t have a choice – if I want to do my business, I have to use Windows. You could argue I can run Windows applications on a Mac or Linux, by means of tweaks. But if there’s a problem with an application, I’m on my own.

      • #2761414

        I understand the frustration. Do you run the Pro or Enterprise version of Windows? There are many changes that can be made via Group Policy and automatically propagated to all PCs. You could investigate something like the script @RetiredGeek has to change what he considers his standard settings. I realize that IT work is not what most businesses want to do but if you want to control Windows you have to some.

        --Joe

    • #2761428

      Good , useful post.  Thank you,

      However I will not ever be going to Windows 11. I will use Windows 10 until the end of MY life thank you. Fortunately I can now do all critical communication and financial tasks on my iPhone — quite easily (and safely) and avoid the life-shortening frustrations of Winnows 11.  I do use Windows 10 for a couple spreadsheets and documents (I wont tell you which version of office I use! – grin).  BTW I cant stand the Windows 10 interface as well so I use Open Shell to configure it to look like Windows 7 (which is still the best looking version of Windows).

       

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    • #2761604

      Did it come pre-encrypted? Have you kept / removed encryption?

      This is Windows 11 Home and is not encrypted and does not have Microsoft encryption software to encrypt it.  This no encryption and no Group policy editor are just a couple reasons I chose Home over Pro.  Contrary to what Susan has said, I found it hard to find a high end PC that had Windows 11 Home.  Very happy with my choice:

      Dell Inspiron 3030
      14th Gen i7 14700 (up to 5.4 GHz) – 20 cores
      64GB DDR5 RAM
      1 TB NVMe SSD
      UHD 770 graphics
      Wi-Fi 6

      Also contrary to what others have said, I placed this in my wish list several months ago and when I purchased just recently it was the same price it was several months ago and the price did not go up.

      The only thing I did not research properly before buying was the KVM switch. I did not get a KVM switch with EDID emulation. When I switch from the Windows 11 PC to the Windows 10 PC all the open app windows shrink to windows default (aka: smaller) size. I’m using the work around for this, but I wish I had gotten a KVM with EDID emulation.

      In the process of making images before I start making it a useful PC.

      HTH, Dana:))

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      • #2761617

        My Home 11 did come encrypted, which is why I asked.

        cheers, Paul

    • #2761694

      My Home 11 did come encrypted

      WOW! I always thought one of the big differences between Home and Pro was encryption. I have never seen a Home version with Microsoft’s encryption and I have handled a lot of Home versions.
      So I assume it came with encryption software?
      In the Windows Privacy & Security settings does it have a setting for Device Encryption?
      Did you remove the encryption?

      BTW do you use a KVM switch with EDID and does the EDID really work to keep the screens and app placement and size intact between the switches?

      HTH, Dana:))

      • #2761695

        WOW! I always thought one of the big differences between Home and Pro was encryption.

        https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/device-encryption-in-windows-cf7e2b6f-3e70-4882-9532-18633605b7df

        Unlike BitLocker Drive Encryption, which is available on Windows Pro, Enterprise, or Education editions, Device Encryption is available on a wider range of devices, including those running Windows Home.

        • #2761701

          Thanks for the link.
          It provided the reason:

          Note: If Device encryption doesn’t appear, it’s either unavailable on your device, or you might be signed in with a standard user account.

          I placed the bold in the quote from that Microsoft link

          It has never been available on any Windows Home that I have used. My new Windows 11 in System Information says the same thing all the other Homes have said for Device Encryption Support – Elevation Required to View

          HTH, Dana:))

      • #2761781

        There are differences between Home and Pro implementations of BitLocker.

        I think it’s now standard for new installs of Win 11 Home (certainly on OEM installs) to have BitLocker active, but where its presence is invisible to the user.  In particular, the encryption key is integrated into the user ID, and I think that’s part of the reason that Microsoft is pushing so hard for Home users to have Microsoft accounts.  But in any case, if you’re logged into Windows, you’re inside the encryption layer.

        With the Pro version, BitLocker is active at the very beginning of the boot process, using what’s called “Pre-Boot Authentication” (or PBA).  If a machine is encrypted this way, then at the beginning of the boot process, you’re presented with an authentication screen.  If you do not enter the correct passcode, the machine cannot be booted, and there is no capacity of access of data stored on the drive.

        What this approach addresses is protecting the data without reliance on the installed operating system (or more precisely, the user management processes built into the operating system).  Without full-drive encryption, it is possible to bypass system-dependent authentication processes, either by booting the machine from alternate media, or by extracting the drive and mounting as a secondary drive in another computer.  In both of those cases, the authentication processes of the installed system are inactive, and therefore, can’t be used to protect data.

        Whether you need the capacities of full-drive encryption that is protected by PBA depends on what you’re trying to do, and from whom you’re trying to protect your data.

        • #2761788

          With the Pro version, BitLocker is active at the very beginning of the boot process, using what’s called “Pre-Boot Authentication” (or PBA).  If a machine is encrypted this way, then at the beginning of the boot process, you’re presented with an authentication screen.  If you do not enter the correct passcode, the machine cannot be booted, and there is no capacity of access of data stored on the drive.

          That’s optional (but advisable), not the default.

    • #2761802

      I always thought one of the big differences between Home and Pro was encryption. I have never seen a Home version with Microsoft’s encryption and I have handled a lot of Home versions

      There were quite a few posts here from users with Dell, HP, Asus.. Windows Home with Device Encryption who asked how to get the encryption keys.
      Home has Device Encryption vs Pro’s BitLocker

      https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/bitlocker-on-my-new-machine-is-the-disk-encrypted/

    • #2761814

      Home has Device Encryption vs Pro’s BitLocker

      Yes and no.
      This author at the link below points out why I never see encryption in Windows Home.

      Is Device encryption available on Windows 10 Home edition?

      TPM enabled computer

      * UEFI enabled computer

      * Computer must support connected standby

      Besides the stringent hardware requirements, you must be using a Microsoft account to sign in to Windows 10 in order to turn on and use the Device encryption. When you sign in with a Microsoft account on a PC meeting hardware requirements, Device encryption is automatically enabled. You can check the same by navigating to Settings > Update & Security > Device encryption.

      I applied the bold type to point out that statement.

      Since all my Windows 10 and 11 Home systems have local accounts only, this explains why I never see Device Encryption settings. Device Encryption in Window 10 and 11 Home versions requires a Microsoft account installed on the PCs. I have a Microsoft account as an individual but not a Microsoft linked account on the PCs.

      It appears there is another reason to setup a local account and not a Microsoft linked account….unwanted automatic device encryption.

      HTH, Dana:))

      • #2761824

        That article is nearly six years old. Modern Standby was removed as a requirement a couple of years ago. (It hasn’t been called Connected Standby since Windows 8.1!)

        A Microsoft Account is only a requirement for automatic Device Encryption. Device Encryption can be enabled with a local account, but you only see the setting if signed in as an administrator.

        Turn On or Off Device Encryption in Windows 11

    • #2761840

      you must be using a Microsoft account to sign in to Windows 10

      The device will likely come encrypted on setup. See the thread Alex linked above for details.

      cheers, Paul

    • #2761893

      A Microsoft Account is only a requirement for automatic Device Encryption. Device Encryption can be enabled with a local account, but you only see the setting if signed in as an administrator.

      I am signed in as an administrator and even with the full administrator account. There is no settings for device. The link you posted stated:

      When you first sign in or set up a device with a Microsoft account, or work or school account, Device Encryption is turned on and a recovery key is attached to that account. If you’re using a local account, Device Encryption isn’t turned on automatically.

      and

      If device encryption is turned off, it will no longer automatically enable itself in the future. You must enable it manually (if wanted) in Settings.

      If device encryption isn’t available on your device, you may be able to turn on standard BitLocker encryption instead.

      If you want to use standard BitLocker encryption instead, it’s only available on supported devices running Windows 11 Pro, Enterprise, or Education.

      I read that as Device encryption is not turned on with a local account. If not turned on you must turn it on in the Settings which requires you to to be logged in as an administrator. If Device Encryption is not available it offers advice for different kind of encryption such as BitLocker available with other versions.

      That sound like being logged in as an administrator doesn’t present a setting for device encryption, which is what I found on my PCs.

      Paul – Did you set up a Microsoft account on that Windows Home? Even if you deleted it later.

      Has anyone with with a new Windows 10 or 11 Home that setup only a local account (no Microsoft account) see the Device Encryption settings or have their PC encrypted?

      HTH, Dana:))

      • #2761900

        If you’re using a local account, Device Encryption isn’t turned on automatically.

        • #2761910

          Yes, Device Encryption isn’t turned on automatically when using a local account.
          To turn Device Encryption on and perform the encryption requires you log into your Microsoft account. Described by the following author with screenshot stating Device Encryption requires you to sign in to your Microsoft account.

          If you’re on local account, you need to sign in to your Microsoft account first. Then you can enable Device encryption option here by setting it to On.

          Enable or disable Device Encryption in Windows 11

          If you don’t have a Microsoft account for Window Home, you will not be able to turn Device Encryption on or use Device encryption.

          Since I don’t use a Microsoft account with my Windows Home PCs, they can not be encrypted either automatically or manually by Windows Device Encryption.

          It is interesting to find out that Microsoft requires you sign in to them to use software that is already installed on your PC and without signing in you can’t use that software.

          HTH, Dana:))

          • #2761939

            “Device encryption turned on” means the keys have been migrated to an MS account. The disk is encrypted before the keys are migrated – meaning “at setup”.

            Run the utility in the thread mentioned and it will tell you what is going on.

            cheers, Paul

          • #2761985

            To turn Device Encryption on and perform the encryption requires you log into your Microsoft account. Described by the following author with screenshot stating Device Encryption requires you to sign in to your Microsoft account.

            If you’re on local account, you need to sign in to your Microsoft account first. Then you can enable Device encryption option here by setting it to On.

            Enable or disable Device Encryption in Windows 11

            Screenshot shows the completion of automatic device encryption:

            “Sign in with your Microsoft account to finish encrypting this device”

            If you don’t have a Microsoft account for Window Home, you will not be able to turn Device Encryption on or use Device encryption.

            Since I don’t use a Microsoft account with my Windows Home PCs, they can not be encrypted either automatically or manually by Windows Device Encryption.

            It is interesting to find out that Microsoft requires you sign in to them to use software that is already installed on your PC and without signing in you can’t use that software.

            None of that is true.

      • #2761916

        I have windows 10 home on one laptop and I don’t see any settings about encryption. I only have a local account on that laptop.

        • #2761940

          W10 does is not automatically encrypted at setup and unless you run Pro, has no means of doing so.

          cheers, Paul

           

          • #2761981

            Device encryption is available on supported devices (ex: tablet or 2-in-1 laptop) running any Windows 10 edition.

            How to Turn On or Off Device Encryption in Windows 10

            BitLocker device encryption is supported on a broad range of devices, including those that meet Modern Standby standards and devices that run Windows 10 Home edition or Windows 11.

            After a clean installation of Windows 11 or Windows 10 is completed and the out-of-box experience (OOBE) is finished, the computer is prepared for first use. As part of this preparation, BitLocker device encryption is initialized on the Operating System drive and fixed data drives.

            Automatic BitLocker Device Encryption for Dell Computers

            • #2762137

              I do not have the “Device encryption” section in Settings on my W10 Home PC. The PC (Dell XPS) has all the encryption requirements (it will run W11).

              cheers, Paul

    • #2762063

      Run the utility in the thread mentioned and it will tell you what is going on.

      System Information for Device Encryption Support states Elevation Required to View. I open System Information in an Admin Command console and found the reason none of the PCs were encrypted nor have Settings for Device Encryption under Device Encryption Support. One PC (an older W10 laptop) did not have Modern Standby. The others W10 & W11 had “Un-allowed DMA capable bus/device detected”.

      Not sure what this error means exactly as the PCs with this error meet or exceed all the hardware and security requirements. One Microsoft MVP poster indicated the error could occur because RAM is not soldered in the MB (which is way above my understanding or how Windows can even tell that RAM is just plugged in or is soldered in). Interesting as both of these PCs have plug in RAM.

      “Device encryption turned on” means the keys have been migrated to an MS account. The disk is encrypted before the keys are migrated – meaning “at setup”.

      What happens to the encrypted disk if you don’t sign on to a Microsoft account and you don’t migrate the keys to a MS account? Will you be able to decrypt the disk and use it or are you required to log into a MS account in order to decrypt the disk?
      Many of the sources I have read indicate you must login to a MS account to use the Disk Encryption in the Home versions. I know this is different with BitLocker in Pro versions. With your W11 Home that was encrypted, did you set up a MS account?

      HTH, Dana:))

      • #2762140

        What happens to the encrypted disk if you don’t sign on to a Microsoft account

        The disk remains encrypted and the recovery keys remain on the disk. Windows will decrypt the disk and work as expected.
        If you do something that requires the recovery keys, Windows will collect them from the disk.
        If you (anyone who uses your computer) signs into an MS account, the keys will be uploaded to that account (removed from the disk) and if you later need the keys you may be stuck.

        There are 2 solutions:
        1. Decrypt the disk.
        2. Login to an MS account – the keys will be uploaded. Save the keys from the MS account or run our script to back them up.

        cheers, Paul

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      • #2762458

        With your W11 Home that was encrypted, did you set up a MS account?

        No, I created a local account and then decrypted the disk and installed Veracrypt.

        Sorry for the late reply.

        cheers, Paul

    • #2762309

      Susan mentions OpenShell and Start11 while noting that Start11 is better for someone who likes the taskbar at the top of the screen.

      I used and liked OpenShell on Windows 10, but I do like the taskbar at the top. However I also like to add an Address Bar to the taskbar. For that reason, I chose to use StartAllBack which provides both of these things.

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      • #2762378

        I like the use of classic Toolbars I create on the right side of the Taskbar.
        I used ExplorerPatcher to get that classic Toolbar function in my W11.
        This worked so well that I was able to copy a toolbar folder from my W10 directly into my W11. The Toolbar folder contain shortcuts to open Windows utilities. Most of the shortcuts still work and open those utilities in W11.

        I really like Winaero Tweaker as it allows quick Font size change in different areas of Windows such as just the Taskbar or menus and has numerous other tweaks to make W11 look like W10.

        HTH, Dana:))

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        • #2762404

          ditto, Winaero Tweaker has been used here for many years with Win7, 8.1, 10 and now 11. Version 1.63 needs updating to reflect MSFT changes as its from July 2024.
          Be careful using desktop-context-menu shortcuts with Winaero as explorer crashes with certain shortcuts after April 2025 CU

          Windows - commercial by definition and now function...
    • #2762394

      I came here to comment on start menu replacements and got immersed in the discussion of device encryption.

      I set up a new Windows 11 Home computer without a microsoft account late last year.

      At some point I saw something about encryption. I think it was a warning from my backup program that the disk was encrypted, but I no longer remember for sure.

      I also think (thought?) that after seeing this I somehow disabled encryption somewhere in settings, but I don’t remember the details.

      Now if I search for encryption in settings, I get, among other things the following:

      Greenshot-2025-04-11-13-54-38

      which says, among other things:

      Your security processor, called the trusted platform module (TPM), is providing additional encryption for your device.

      Is this telling me that my disk is still encrypted despite the fact that I think I disabled encryption?

      • #2762398

        Locate the information in two places:

        Control Panel\Bitlocker Drive Encryption
        Settings App\Privacy & Security\Device Encryption

        • #2762437

          I don’t find Bitlocker Drive Encryption in Control Panel.

          Neither do I find Device Encryption in Settings/Privacy & Security.

          This is beginning to sound familiar though it’s a bit fuzzy.  The familiar part is that after I (I think) disabled encryption in settings, the setting (I think) disappeared.

        • #2762722

          Using image backups, I went back in time to right after Windows was set up and found Device Encryption in Settings indicating that encryption was on.  So as I remembered, I probably set it off.

          The remaining curiosity is that Device Encryption is no longer in Settings.  This bothers me, but I haven’t decided how much effort I want to spend trying to get it back.

           

    • #2762401

      Is this telling me that my disk is still encrypted despite the fact that I think I disabled encryption?

      No. TPM is not Device Encryption / BitLocker encryption.
      TPM is a security chip that stores cryptographic keys…

      To check for device encryption :

      Settings – Privacy & Security – Device Encryption. Check whether it is turned on.

    • #2762438

      As per reply to PKCano, I don’t seem to have that setting.

      • #2762457

        Bob, run our test script and it will show you what you have.

        BitLocker on my new machine, is the disk encrypted?

        cheers, Paul

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        • #2762467

          I have several partitions on my internal SSD.  I ran that script which produced one line for each one that has a drive letter.  All say that the drive is not encrypted and protection is off which is actually what I suspected.

          I still  think that

          • Encryption was originally on despite the absence of a Microsoft Account
          • I somehow disabled it in Settings.
          • Doing that caused the setting to disappear.

           

           

           

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          • #2762487

            Encryption was originally on

            Yes, this is how the machine is delivered to the customer. You always have the option of turning it off.

            cheers, Paul

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    • #2762464

      Wow, I’m so glad that Win 7 had just come out when I retired.  I was using Win XP and then got myself a new computer with Win 7 on it and once I got accustomed to it, I loved it.  Things really started going downhill from around 2015 on.  I refused to get Win 10 and started learning Linux Mint which is what I’m using full time now and mostly loving it.

      I’m so glad I don’t have to go through all the rigamarole that one must put up with to use Windows now! I don’t think my brain could take all that additional stress in addition to everything else that’s going on.

      Decisions to be made?  I’ve already made mine.

      Being 20 something in the 70's was far more fun than being 70 something in the insane 20's
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      • #2762544

        Ironically, a lot a people now refuse to update to windows 11 because they love windows 10…

        • #2762545

          Yes, over time we found ways to mitigate many of the most unwelcome aspects of Windows 10.

           

        • #2762725

          “Ironically, a lot a people now refuse to update to windows 11 because they love windows 10…”.

          I thought about that too.  I suppose at some point we’ll all be agonizing about installing Windows 12 because we love Windows 11 so much.

           

           

          • #2762744

            It’s ironic how when Msft. finally gets things almost fixed, and third party companies make software that improves the way Win 10 looks and works (at the customers’ time and expense) that they come out with yet another bomb and you have to start all over again.

             

            Being 20 something in the 70's was far more fun than being 70 something in the insane 20's
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            • #2762812

              It took me 30 minutes to change everything I did not like in Windows 11, using the free program Winaero Tweaker. It then took me a couple of days to get used to the general layout of the settings. The one thing I really dislike about Windows 11 is the acrobatics we have to do to set up a local account. What a pain.

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    • #2762482

      Be careful using desktop-context-menu shortcuts with Winaero as explorer crashes with certain shortcuts after April 2025 CU

      Thanks for the heads up.
      I used the Registry tweak for the W10 Context menu and not Winaero, so I’m OK.

       

      HTH, Dana:))

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