Be still my beating heart. The Chromium-engine based version of Edge, which Mary Jo calls “Chredge,” just made an appearance on the Microsoft download
[See the full post at: Chredge is available now]
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Not sure what’s different on my system (PC running 1909 & latest Chrome), but I was presented with the appropriate Windows 10 download:
Looks like the drop-down gives access to the other versions:
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So, if Credge removes Oldedge is there a way to leverage that and just remove Oldedge without installing Credge? Sounds like a Dr. Seuss sentence.
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Nope, my geoip location is accurate too
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Weird stuff – usually, it’d pull language localization off of whatever you select during the OOBE setup.
Maybe it’s an advertisement for one of their translation services?
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Perhaps the Askwoody MS-Defcon level should be applicable to Chredge too /facepalm
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Upside – will be supported on Win7 for another 18 months
Downside – Firefox is still the champion
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Even though it is based on the open-source Chromium engine, that Chromium engine is from Google, the hands-down biggest privacy-invading, internet tracking, fingerprinting, data-selling, ad-targeting, etc. on the internet. I use Firefox.
I simply do not trust google as far as I could throw their headquarters building. I don’t use their search engine, I use DuckDuckGo. And I’d never buy a Chromebook.
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https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-is-microsofts-chromium-based-edge-really-different-from-chrome/
Please read the above, in particular, the services that microsoft removed. IMO currently using Slimjet, as it has ad blocking built in, One does not normally use a product with less then the original so a simple question : Why change from Chrome to Chrome Edge? Why not go to a program like Slimjet (which I discovered for use with Vista ), that also using the Blink but is not directly connected to Google?
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interesting, that ZDnet article, redirects of telemetry, drwatson integration et al (nope, I ain’t going there…what’s that saying about cats and curiousity
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But with 53 Google services removed:
I lost the placement of the original post here on askwoody regarding ChrEdge:
I knew there will be some catch. See that chredge is snooping my information even if I turned both telemetry switches to OFF? Chredge somehow “logged me into Chrome with my device account credentials” !!! including my PC username and domain!!! Oh ! now my credentials are exposed on some server including my domain account? This is serious. Serious privacy invasion and security risk from my angle of view. If it gets my full name somehow, there is possibility to know our domain users login name convention. So this is the end. I will never use it anymore, this is just too enormous betrayal
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To be fair, the screen reads that you’ve been logged into EDGE with your domain credentials, not into Chrome.
It seems odd to me to trust the server OS, Active Directory, and the OS on your PC (all no doubt written and provided by Microsoft), but not to trust a program running on top of that environment with your credentials.
The browser is just being polite enough to tell you the name it has created/is using for your profile.
How would you prefer it keep your settings isolated from anyone else who uses the same equipment?
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Sorry, maybe I was too sceptic and upset. Chredge works as intended, I tested it for few days. I respect if you feel otherwise.
Answers to your questions are:
I thought, that browsing history is being stored to my Edge account.
By collecting I mean storing information about user on the server.
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While all eyes are focused on Edge, Mozilla – the maker of Firefox – is laying off staff.
If you have not contributed $$$ to Mozilla and use their products it is time to support the organization.
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Why would I do that?? They have abandoned any thing I recognize as good. Granted if Moz falls Palemoon\Waterfox may not be far behind. I will cry a bit that is life in this age, the old no matter how well crafted falls under the new and flashy.
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I can understand that.
But… to me, it comes down primarily to
1) having a really good browser that is oriented on privacy and that can manage ads and scripts pretty well with its extensions.
2) encouraging a diversity of rendering engines so we don’t end up back in time again where some web sites would not work with anything else than IE with its non standard extensions.
Putting chromium into Edge was a genius idea for Microsoft. In addition to cutting costs, it might forces indirectly casual users to use one of two evils if you see things that way. Me, I don’t care much for discussions about browsers unless my browser of always, Firefox, is threatened.
Frankly, I don’t even get much why so many not that powerful users feel so strongly about browsers and how their productivity is so threatened by using a browser or another, or their current browser is so lacking that they really need to try a new browser, no offense intended. I get that some users, and you very well might be one of them, are really using browsers to bring their productivity to a higher level, but it is probably a very tiny minority. Well, Maybe I get it when I have to use a vanilla Safari on IOS and get inundated with ads. I should try again to plug Focus into it when I have time, hoping it won’t freeze the phone this time.
Despite all the complaints about Firefox lately, it has worked extremely well in our organization for years, I am not scared its background updates will introduce privacy-invading features or security issues and it is very easy to manage and keep updated. I use its basic pdf reader as a first line of defense shield for pdf vulnerabilities that mostly affect Reader. Last time I checked, its color management was much better than others like IE that is awful on a wide-gamut screen.
Noel Carboni loves (loved?) IE because it starts fast (or is it pre-started but the end result is the same) and he could tweak it the way he wanted, lean and mean. It made sense for him and I respect that. Edge or ChrEdge with the new Nadella Microsoft or Chrome are just alternatives that I won’t consider. Edge as presented originally years ago as a spartian alternative was a breath of fresh air when browsers (IE) were too powerful and insecure by default, but it turned out to be a bloated marketing machine at the service of Microsoft services, so the vision went down the tub with my interest when I realized that. Maybe it could have been great under the previous Microsoft.
Firefox is quick enough and works just like I want : it lets me focus on my job and gets out of my way without having me worry about unnecessary things. Can I understand some users are disappointed about some UI changes over the years and the fact that traditional extensions disappeared? Sure. But for my users and me, “It just works” goes a long way.
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I agree.
I go to FireFox first, then Thor, then Opera. I avoid Edge at all cost – to protect my online privacy – and use Internet Explorer as a last resort for the same reason.
Don’t forget that Mozilla is laying off staff due to financial considerations and FireFox users need to support the organization financially to keep it healthy and insure FireFox’s future.
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Interesting but not informative.
You can spend all the time you want configuring your privacy settings in any Microsoft application including Edge BUT the 33,500-word (65 page) Microsoft Privacy Statement governs how Microsoft harvests data from your computers (and gathers it from other sources) and is then free to use your data as it sees fit. It is also free to change the terms and conditions of their Privacy Statement at any time.
And, if my experience with Windows 10 is representative, you will need to check and possibly reset the privacy settings of Microsoft applications each time they are updated.
I use CCleaner several times a day to clean potentially unwanted files from my computer. Each time I run the application the largest number of files removed come from Edge and Internet Explorer even though I do not open them.
In fact, I just ran CCleaner, turned off my machine, and restarted it. I then ran CCleaner before opening any other applications and guess what – it removed 62 files (5,527 KB) from Microsoft Edge’s Internet Cache, one file (2KB) of Microsoft Edge Cookies, etc. And I hadn’t done anything but turn on the computer!
Under its current corporate management, Microsoft is driven by the bottom line and will generate revenue and reduce expenses in any way possible including the monetization of personal information and releasing products before they are fully vetted. Think about the most recent reincarnation of Edge and Windows 10 1909.
Fortunately, Microsoft is not building highway bridges over major rivers. If they were a lot of people would drown while the firm was gaining feedback from wet users and refining small points of engineering design. But then again, what is the cost to the economy of corporate IT staffs having to tweak new Microsoft software upon its release?
Thank you no. I avoid Microsoft products to the extent possible to protect my personal privacy and not have to fiddle with updates.
Unfortunately, I am stuck with their operating system. I have decades of experience using and a substantial investment in Windows-based software and, as a result, I am not free to move to another operating system.
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The Microsoft Privacy Statement may be found at https://privacy.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement .
A quick search of the Statement did not find the language you mention regarding the sharing of data.
I will be guided by the language drafted by Microsoft’s legal team and agreed to when you install Microsoft software not that of its public relations department.
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So how does Microsoft collect and use your data?
The following is taken from the introductory pages of their Privacy Statement and is only a very brief summary of the 33,500-word document:
- Data gathered includes:
- “Data about your use of Microsoft products including but not limited to: “Data about the webpages you visit.”; “Data about your interests and favorites, such as the sports teams you follow, the programming languages you prefer, the stocks you track, or cities you add to track things like weather or traffic.”; “Information about media content (e.g., TV, video, music, audio, text books, apps, and games) you access through our products.”; “Search queries and commands when you use Microsoft products with search or related productivity functionality.”; “Data about your contacts and relationships if you use a product to share information with others, manage contacts, communicate with others, or improve your productivity.”; and the list goes on.
- Content including: “Communications, including audio, video, text (typed, inked, dictated, or otherwise), in a message, email, call, meeting request, or chat.”; “Photos, images, songs, movies, software, and other media or documents you store, retrieve, or otherwise process with our cloud.”; and the list goes on.
- And how do they use our personal data including:
- Personalizing their (Microsoft’s) products and make recommendations; “Advertise and market to you, which includes sending promotional communications, targeting advertising, and presenting you relevant offers.”;
- “… Microsoft Store uses information about the apps and services you use to make personalized app recommendations.”;
- “We use data we collect to deliver promotional communications.”;
- “We use data we collect through our interactions with you, through some of our products, and on third-party web properties, for advertising in our products and on third-party properties.”;
- “We also share personal data with vendors or agents working on our behalf ….”;
- and the list goes on.
The above is taken from the Privacy Statement’s introductory pages and explained in greater detail in the remaining 30 pages of text.
You be the judge.
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Even as a Microsoft critic, I do believe that MS is using the telemetry data for the purposes of fixing bugs, increasing security, and improving Windows, as they claim (though they can always alter the deal, as you noted). There has been no evidence that I have seen that MS is using any of the data for advertising purposes.
I still have a problem with the telemetry, though, for two reasons: First, there should be an OFF switch even if it doesn’t slurp up info for advertising. I want it off because I am in charge and I should be able to make the decision, not just because I dislike advertising.
The other thing is that slurping up data from people’s PCs takes on another shade when one realizes that Microsoft eliminated the professional beta testers at the same time that they brought in the telemetry. I’d be more okay with helping the pro testers make Windows the best it can be, but I’m not okay as being used a beta tester on software that I had to pay for. A penny saved is a penny earned, so I consider using consumers as beta testers to be a form of monetization.
If Windows 10 Home was free, including to OEMs, the various forms of monetization would be a lot more tolerable, as it’s understood that MS has to make its money somehow– as long as there was a Pro version that was available for a reasonable price (for example, the price it’s available for right now!) that would eliminate all of the monetization and enable all of the user choice options, like the ability to turn telemetry all the way off, have full control over updates, and the other bits that are currently tightly controlled by Microsoft. If that was the setup from the start of 10, I’d most likely be using it now, even with my objections to the half-mobile, half-PC UI.
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I can understand this. Mozilla has been following a terrible strategy of copying Chrome for the better part of a decade, and if you look at the graphs of browser market share, Firefox’s market share began to plummet at the same time. While that correlation does not imply causation, it does suggest that the “be just like the guy in the lead” strategy has not worked at any point since they put it into effect, and yet they persist.
A company that sticks to a failed strategy for the better part of a decade after it becomes obvious that the strategy has failed deserves to lose market share. That’s how competition works. They have to provide a compelling reason for consumers to not to use the dominant product, and privacy alone obviously has not captured the imagination of the computing public, most of whom already use Android on their phones. They gave up on privacy years ago, and have already come to terms with being in thrall to Google.
I wish it was not so, but one need only look at the market share of Android phones and Chrome to recognize that Firefox’s privacy angle isn’t working. Mozilla needs more than “It looks and works EXACTLY like Chrome, but is more private” to get people who are unconcerned about privacy to migrate. If it’s just like Chrome but has one extra thing they don’t care about, they’re not going to expend even a tiny bit of energy to migrate to the thing that has that one unwanted feature.
Even if people who otherwise like Chrome but are concerned about privacy, there are lots of Chromium-based choices with the Googly bits removed, so even that is not a compelling reason to migrate to Firefox (if you believe the developers of such browsers to be competent enough to go through the source code and remove all of the Google stuff, that is. If they’re not that competent, would you want to be using their product anyway, even if they had written all of the code themselves?).
While some Chromium-based browsers are nearly identical to Chrome, several of them demonstrate more desire to make something better than Chrome than what we see in Mozilla. Vivaldi, Opera, Brave, and others all have features that go beyond what Google offers in Chrome, and they’re not afraid to take the “risk” of not being a carbon copy of Chrome in their products. They’re constantly adding things that are meant to distinguish them from Chrome, while Mozilla persists in removing the remaining bits that distinguish themselves from Chrome. Unlike the developers of these Chrome forks, Mozilla seems to believe that there is some magic tipping point at which enough Firefox uniqueness will have been removed to cause the Chrome users to come flooding in.
For Firefox to remain relevant, it has to do something better than Chrome, and that really should be easy, since they’ve been better than Chrome in many ways from the start. One area in which Chrome is deficient is in its minimalistic, inconvenient, and uncustomizable UI. That’s an opinion, of course, but that’s the point– one person’s view of what’s ideal isn’t necessarily everyone’s, and only the ability to customize things can accommodate that. Firefox has long had a much more customizable UI than Chrome, but they’re stripping that out, bit by bit. They’re dumbing down their UI to be as simplistic as Chrome’s.
Unfortunately, rather than capitalizing on the parts where they’re better and working to become better in other areas, Mozilla has persisted in copying everything Chrome does and making Firefox look and act accordingly. Even after all these years of that strategy failing miserably, they keep at it, and Firefox gets worse and worse with each release. I don’t want Firefox that looks and acts exactly like Chrome but without Google spying. I want something better than Chrome all around, and without the Google spying!
So for those of us who don’t like Google because of the usual reasons, and who also do not like Chrome, not just for the spying reasons, but also because we dislike the UI and the feature set, what do we do? Do we reward Mozilla for systematically stripping our beloved browser of every thing that we used to like about it? If we give them money, are we not telling them “I love what you’re doing! Keep it up!” If we’re truly disgusted by Mozilla’s steadfast refusal to let Firefox be Firefox, what do we do to get that message through? The years of falling market share have not made an impression. The thousands of posts around the web saying exactly what I am saying now haven’t changed as thing. It’s as if Mozilla is just clamping its hands to its ears and repeating, “Mmm, mmm, mmm, I can’t hear you, I can’t hear you!” as we remaining fans desperately try to save them from themselves. Do we reward this behavior?
But if we don’t, then what? We want Mozilla to persist, certainly; even if they are extremely misguided and stubborn well beyond the point of being a fault, they’re still the “good guys” in this whole thing, but it’s not the handful of remaining Firefox users (and I count myself as one of those, even though I use Waterfox, as Waterfox cannot exist without Firefox) who are driving Mozilla to the point of having to let people go. They are doing that themselves, and if they do not realize it soon, small donations from regular users like us won’t save them. They have to change direction or they will all end up changing jobs, and the single-digit percentage of people who still use Firefox will end up changing browsers.
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I don’t want Firefox that looks and acts exactly like Chrome but without Google spying. I want something better than Chrome all around, and without the Google spying!
Sounds like Microsoft Edge (so you’re on topic).
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I’d entertain the idea of giving it a try, but I don’t use any of the operating systems upon which it runs. I would not want to swap Google spying for Microsoft spying, if in fact it would be in whatever version I was hypothetically trying.
“Better,” of course, is highly subjective, and while I would not dismiss Chredge out of hand simply because it’s from MS, I doubt it would meet my definition of “better” as well as it meets yours. I’ve seen the screenshots, and it seems to be based on the same UI schema as Chrome and unmodified Firefox. I don’t have a problem with the Chromium base of Edge or any other browser as long as it’s de-Googled, but the UI leaves a lot to be desired. In my case, “better” would mean having (or having the option for) a traditional menu bar, tab bar under the URL bar and above the content, a status bar, new tab button at the left side of the tab bar and close button on the right, and a regular OS title bar. Haven’t yet seen a Chrome derivative that ticks all the boxes, but Vivaldi is in the ballpark. Everyone else just seems to want to ape the Google minimalism that I so detest.
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Hello Wavy,
I agree completely. I used to be adamant about Firefox and was even a beta tester for years, but they would not listen and went their own way. The new Firefox has features only some millennial programmer wants. I have stopped updating my Firefox and am stuck back in the 50’s (in Firefox versioning).
I use to push Firefox hard to all my friends and clients. I still recommend it … but ONLY because I like Chrome privacy less.
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Running a not updated browser is really not a good idea if you care about security. You are vulnerable to any code trying to exploit an unpatched vulnerability. I would even say it might be less risky to run a non patched Windows 7 running a patched browser than running Windows 10 with an old browser that hasn’t received security updates. You also will miss on some improvements to web standards and others, so I really don’t think it is a good idea.
Although I didn’t like it when Mozilla changed the UI, I use the content of the browser and not the UI, so it is annoying but it feels like a minor annoyance to me. I don’t like the additions of things like pocket, but I disable it. All things considered, Firefox doesn’t require much maintenance and to me, it works well enough at doing what it should do.
You have to pick the less bad of the updated browsers. As some as suggested, you might want to try Firefox derivatives if you really can’t stand the current version.
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Hello Kathy, Thank you for thanking me. Like AlexE said, if you use a browser that is out of date, there is some possibility of a vulnerability happening. Some of Firefox’s internal blocking is still automatic and updated. For example I believe the below is auto-updated on a regular schedule in your Firefox browser.
Mozilla blocked Add-ons
https://blocked.cdn.mozilla.net/For what Mozilla has patched see:
Mozilla Security Advisories
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/known-vulnerabilities/firefox/For getting any older versions of Firefox see:
Mozilla FTP site to download ANY version of Firefox
https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/If you have backups of your computer (image) or important data, you should be set IF you are willing to make the decision that if you are compromised, no big deal you have backups -OR- are willing to accept the loss. My friend used to say, “it is called coping with loss”.
If you are using the computer for online purchases or banking, I would recommend you use only the newest browser of any name brand browser you use.
Also, if you want a slower and lesser (change wise) update schedule, look into the business version called Firefox ESR. https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/68.4.2esr/
Hope this helps you.
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Try Palemoon, like FF used to be XUL spport for all(well most) of those old extensions. https://www.palemoon.org/
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It’s being reported in the comments to Martin’s article at gHacks.
https://www.ghacks.net/2020/01/16/the-new-chromium-based-microsoft-edge-is-now-available/ -
I read that if you sync with it then you LOSE your local Windows 10 account!
It’s being reported in the comments to Martin’s article at gHacks.
https://www.ghacks.net/2020/01/16/the-new-chromium-based-microsoft-edge-is-now-available/That person had signed into Edge with a Microsoft Account and accepted an option to use it for all purposes on that device, as explained in detail in the third reply to that comment.
It’s very easy to switch back to a local account: How to Switch to a Local Account from a Microsoft Account in Windows 10
Looks to me that Edge is the better choice. I use it occasionally but HATE the extremely childish stick figures GUI. I see the GUI has not improved in Chredge.
What’s “extremely childish stick figures” about the GUI?
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I have a Win7 PC running WMC for my television. I need a browser for streaming Netflix, Amazon Prime, ESPN+ and Bleacher Report Live. For some reason Firefox on this OS won’t play BR/Live (I get a bizarre HTML5 error which cannot be true since other things stream just fine) so I need an alternative. I have been using Opera but they look to be in financial trouble. I just downloaded Edge and it runs fine on Win7 and I checked all the sites a stream and they all work including BR/Live. Since MSFT will support this for 18 more months on Win7 it seems to be a good alternative.
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In fact, I just ran CCleaner, turned off my machine, and restarted it. I then ran CCleaner before opening any other applications and guess what – it removed 62 files (5,527 KB) from Microsoft Edge’s Internet Cache, one file (2KB) of Microsoft Edge Cookies, etc. And I hadn’t done anything but turn on the computer!
Martin Brinkmann over on the ghacks website has some Group Policy for Pro users, and Registry edit for Home users to disable Edge from Startup, it is dated 13 August 2018 , and I have used it on v 1809 with the old Edge, I do not have the new Chredge so I am not sure if it will work on the New Edge. Check out ghacks website for more info:
https://www.ghacks.net/2018/08/13/block-windows-10-from-preloading-microsoft-edge-on-start/
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Not if you intend to never use it.
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While all eyes are focused on Edge, Mozilla – the maker of Firefox – is laying off staff.
If you have not contributed $$$ to Mozilla and use their products it is time to support the organization.
A few months ago, Mozilla announced it was moving Firefox to a four-week release schedule, an even more frenetic pace than the six-week (more or less) schedule that they had been following.
Perhaps they could save on costs without resorting to layoffs, if they slowed down the release schedule. Many of the changes to the browser are unwanted anyway. As one commenter in the linked webpage wrote,
Ick what a waste of resources and aggravating to many users that just want a working browser that they are familiar with. This constant shifting ground just makes it so people aren’t n a firm foundation at any time. Also I feel it reduces loyalty as people know that whatever they have now may not exist in th next update anyway, may as well move on to the next new shiny thing.
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Do you know of another technology company with a better privacy policy for customers?
Yes. Apple.
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Chredge ,n Edge side by side two brothers of a different mother or some thing like that.
After spending a not so good 3 hours trying to get both available via widely publicized Group Policy tweaks using down loaded .admx files to add the templates I never got any change but 2 error popups when I tried to load MMC to access the Group Policy editor, multiple reboots and uninstall/reinstalls I finally just did a Reg merge with
`Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00; Created by: Shawn Brink
; Created on: November 8th 2019
; Tutorial: https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/144061-enable-microsoft-edge-side-side-browser-experience-windows-10-a.html[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\EdgeUpdate]
“Allowsxs”=-`from the included location. Thank You Shawn!!
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[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\EdgeUpdate]
“Allowsxs”=-`That’s to undo the side-by-side both old and new though. Is that what you want to do?
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=dword:00000001was missing
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\EdgeUpdate] "Allowsxs"=dword:00000001
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BTW did anybody notice that Chredge brings Outlook, powerpoint, word & excel along with it?
Clicking on a shortcut brings up a ‘login to MS Account ‘ box. I guess that is some kind of office in the cloud /365 thing. Did not go there
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i will try to answer that tomorrow when I am on the other computer
OK they appear to be web links that open edge to a MS login page.
They are listed in the start menu list and under APPS in settings.
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It is availa=ble via Windows update. You don’t have to seek it at the Edge site.
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