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2/27/24 IMPORTANT: New dates for the end of non-security updates for Windows 11, version 22H2 The new end date is June 24, 2025 for Windows 11, versio
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Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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You are exactly right, Susan. Almost no one wants Windows 11 untested, and unnecessary innovations. Any new features should be presented to users who should choose what new features they want to have on their OS, if any.

GreatAndPowerfulTech

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Honestly, I want them to stop shoving useless stuff the average home user is never gonna use into these updates. Gamers aren’t gonna be using copilot, nor half the stuff in these updates. Even more so for the average home user who uses their computer for regular use.

Honestly Susan it must not be easy for you as an IT, to have to literally retrain people every month what with all the stuff that microsoft keeps changing.

I just wish microsoft would get the hint and go back to the old way of updating, that being letting the user choose which parts of the updates offered each month we want, that way if a patch messes up, we don’t install that patch and we don’t have to rollback the whole dang thing.

Another thing I want them to stop with, is this inane naming system for their feature updates, I’ve lost count of how many times you have messed up the feature update name, which I don’t blame you for doing as it’s really only a good system for the people making the updates.

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Myst, GeeBeeDee, R, Douglas, WCHS, Berserker79, Cybertooth

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As IIRC Steve Gibson said of Windows in one of his “Security Now!” podcasts: “leave it alone already!” Put the shiny new toys in deep storage and focus on fixing bugs and vulnerabilities.

 

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It’s not that I don’t like innovations, but I vastly prefer a stable OS to one that keeps getting new features half of the users never asked and/or never cared for. I really wish there was a way to simply opt out from receiving new features and receive only security updates: that way I would be the one deciding if a new feature is interesting enough to let it install on my system.

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Myst, R, Cybertooth, Douglas, NaNoNyMouse

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The old question “How do you want it?  Fast or right, you can’t have both” yet again.

Too many opt for fast.

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Toa Of Justice

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“only cumulative monthly security updates will continue”

Yes please! Bring it on! And not just for Windows 11!

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Susan Bradley wrote:

What about you? Do you want continuous innovations?

Yes.

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NO

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Myst, Cybertooth, cyberSAR

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Do I want continuous innovations AKA continuous functional updates? No. Functional improvements not more than yearly would be preferred, except for corrections.

What do I want? Security, stability, perpetual licenses, non-cloud support, anonymity, and customer choice. Does Microsoft evolve Windows/Office according to my needs? No.

Does my opinion matter? No.

Windows 10 22H2 desktops & laptops on Dell, HP, ASUS; No servers, no domain.

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Renee, WCHS, Douglas, NaNoNyMouse

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It depands.

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Many, if not most, of my files on my device are documents I’ve created from various sources that help me both understand Windows and keep up with Windows changes. My personal data storage space is minuscule in comparison to OS-focused stuff – i.e., what the OS says it needs to operate, to keep operating, and to keep itself protected from failure or intrusion plus documents I need to understand the OS. I’d prefer to concentrate on keeping my device useful as a paperless tool, without the overhead of my having to keep up with needless OS-changes.

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Susan Bradley wrote:

What about you? Do you want continuous innovations?

Innovation—”The act of introducing something new.”—The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition

No.  Continuous improvement, on the other hand, is something that I welcome.

Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!

We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems; we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.

We were all once "Average Users".

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Toa Of Justice, Mark, WCHS, satrow, WSbobby-p, NaNoNyMouse, Myst, Andy M, Bob99, Cybertooth

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No. I want a stable Windows that is not continually being screwed up with “innovations” like the way Notepad has been “improved”.

A find/replace box frozen at the top of the page so that it blocks the find result if it’s in the first line? I can’t open a doc and search “up” for something, wrapping around to find the last occurrence, I have to search “down” first? The weird way the end-of-line character is handled now, making it hard to select text in the last line the same as in other lines?

I just want Windows to work, and to work for a long time. I can’t believe we’re talking about 22H2 nearing end of life already!

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Continuous Innovations? No thanks.

I don’t want a ever-changing OS that suddenly introduces changes (and problems) all the time and gets in my way. It is one of the reasons I stay away from Windows 10 for 8 years (until mid-2023). It is only now that Windows 10 22H2 is the “last” version of 10 that I have warmed up to it a little bit. I know Copilot is being baked into 22H2 but I disable that crap whenever I can.

Given a choice I would rather use a relatively stable, non-changing and supported-for-a-long-time OS like the previous Windows 7 and Windows 8.1. It is why I use Windows 10 1809 LTSC instead of the normal 10 on my computers. I also still keep Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 for the times when I want or need to run them.

I will avoid Windows 11 for as long as I can.

Hope for the best. Prepare for the worst.

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Renee, NaNoNyMouse, Cybertooth

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Continued Improvement:   Fixing bugs, improving stability, increasing security? Yes!

Coninued Innovation:  Adding features based primarily on the requests of a broad portion of the user base? Yes – but ONLY if the features don’t break things or massively alter the normal workflow of users. And then ONLY after being thoroughly tested and debugged. Even better if these “features” can be toggled off….

“Move Fast and Break Things” or “Throw Ideas at the Wall to See What Sticks” or “Change for Change’s Sake” or “Do Something To Justify Keeping Your Job”?  Absolutely NOT!

Win10 Pro x64 22H2, Win10 Home 22H2, Linux Mint + a cat with 'tortitude'.

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Bill and company have always been seduced by envious neighbor syndrome (ENS), or in legacy parlance “keeping up with the Jobs’…”

I would much prefer fixing the myriad of bugs and half-baked redesigned interfaces (I’m looking at you Settings vs. Control Panel), where split-brain doesn’t refer to DNS, but to an Admin trying to find where new/old settings are now hidden in the latest release.

How about implementing on/off “switches”, like they have in Outlook for example?  Where new features are toggled “off” by default, but it’s easy-peasy and in a prominent position that never moves (I’m looking at you show desktop sliver in the lower right-hand corner), so users who want the latest and greatest fresh batch of bugs can simple toggle them on.

This panacea would, of course, be tied to a permanent registry / GPO policy object  that weary admins could easily hide/disable the diabolical “new features” switch from end-users.  Only then would the Utopia mirage of an otherwise dystopian future keep smiles on weary admin faces…

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Not only does this apply to MS, but to everything; phones, Cars/Trucks, TV, and software too! Just look at all the hype. My Daily driver is Linux and like the rest of us all I want is the darned thing to do as I need/want along with long term stability and security updates. Linux is not immune either…it is just less of a pain.

Due to the security issues, none of my older Win machines go on line except Win 10 and 11 and that is to get the updates and I wait 3 weeks for the beta testers to see how bad (or benign) it is. I then see if the software I support has issues. btw it has not changed in years except ways to mitigate MS OS changes…it ain´t broke….

The business model appears to be – if the software has not been “made better” in the past week it is dead, So, lets add something to keep it alive. Oh and let’s not forget, be sure and squeeze the customer for more $$$$ with planned obsolescence.  New is always better. What?? From my perspective, New is NOT better! Just a pain and costly.

If you (MS/Apple etc..) are going to add something, LET ME CHOOSE whether I want it.  I realize not everyone is able to dig into an OS, use cmd line functions to fix/tweak things. Unfortunately, those individuals are at the mercy of the OS supplier. At least my current Daily driver allows me to have some choices.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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In my contrary opinion, the Windows taskbar has been undergoing “un-innovation” ever since Windows 10, with features being removed instead of added. Such features include:

• underlined access keys in the context menu for a jump list item
• the ability to rearrange jump list items via drag and drop
• since Windows 11, the ability to add a file to a jump list via drag and drop
• since Windows 11, choice of taskbar placement on the top or left/right side

This is one area in which I wish Microsoft would innovate more, or rather restore features they removed.

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