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    Am I correct in stating that there is no difference in an Archive Folder and a Personal Folder? They are both Outlook Data Files (.pst). And you can have the AutoArchive dump into an existing Personal Folder .pst file, correct?

    Why would you need to have a separate Archive and Personal Folder? Seems like you’d get mired in .pst files.

    Thanks – Satiria

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    • #827227

      Archiving moves messages from your current active pst file to an archive folder. There is a limit to the size of your mailbox (around 2 GB), and archiving helps to control the file size. See Microsoft Knowledge Base Article 830119 for an overview of archiving. Your Archive folders will appear in the navigation pane and you can still view, move, etc. any of the archived items.

      • #827233

        Hey John. Thanks for responding. Maybe I didn’t word my question right. I know what Archiving and AutoArchiving are and how they work. Is the only difference between storing information in an Archive Folder and storing information in a Personal Folders File the fact that Archiving will move the emails/contacts/whatever automatically? If that is the only difference, is it redundant (and confusing) to have both a Personal Folders File and an Archive Folder. I ask because I see many users who have both, and it seems that they should a.) only have one Personal Folders File (.pst) and b.) if they LIKE AutoArchiving, have AutoArchive dump their stored emails in that Personal Folders File (rather than storing their “archived” or “saved” information in two different places.

        Let me know if this doesn’t make sense.

        • #827274

          I Archive to keep my working pst file small, but I keep the Archive file in my Navagation pane. It makes it handy to quickly open to find old info that is needed. Then if I need to use it, it is simple to copy over to my active pst again.

        • #827275

          I Archive to keep my working pst file small, but I keep the Archive file in my Navagation pane. It makes it handy to quickly open to find old info that is needed. Then if I need to use it, it is simple to copy over to my active pst again.

        • #827281

          OK, maybe I’m not quite sure what you are asking, but I’ll take a stab. First, the whole purpose of archiving is to control the size of your mailbox and keep it below the 2 GB limit.

          Archiving is a manual operation (File>Archive) and Auto Archiving is an automatic operation dependent upon the parameters and schedule that you have set.
          It is NOT redundant to have both a Personal Folders File and an Archive file. When your personal folders file (Outlook.pst) approaches the 2 GB limit, you will start receiving error messages and your mailbox will simply stop accepting new data. Archiving old data which you still want to keep MOVES the data to the archive folder and reduces the size of your mailbox so that it stays under the 2 GB limit. As I said previously, the archive folder will appear in the navigation pane and you can still access all of the information stored there. It is stored in a completely separate file, and I don’t believe that there is a file size limit (unless you are storing your archives on an Exchange Server).

          Basically, you have two choices. If you are a packrat (like me) and want to save older information without deleting it, you will archive. If you don’t want to archive, then you will have to manually keep your mailbox below the limit by compacting every so often and deleting items which you no longer want.

          Regarding your last statement that “users should have Auto Archive dump their stored emails into the Personal Folders File”, all of you emails ARE already stored in the Personal Files Folder. Even if you could do what you suggest, would that not be defeating the whole purpose behind archiving? You would simply be dumping all of the selected items back into the Outlook.pst file, creating duplicate entries, and increasing the file size.

          • #827318

            Okay – I think I know why there is confusion now. When you guys are saying “Personal Folders File” you are referring to your Outlook Mailbox (i.e. my Inbox, Calendar, Contacts, etc.) What I am talking about when I say “Personal Folders File” is an outside storage source that you set up manually through File | New | Personal Folders File in Outlook. In later versions of the software, they refer to this as an “Outlook Data File”, perhaps to avoid this very confusion.

            So, given that explaination, is it redundant to have an Archive Folder, into which you can automatically or manually move items older than a certain date, AND a Personal Folder File (different from your Outlook Mailbox), into which you can manually move items based on whatever your criteria of the day?

            p.s. We’re all on Exchange here with a 13mb limit on Mailboxes, so users never come anywhere NEAR that 2gb limit.

            Thanks again for bearing with me – Satiria

            • #827337

              Well that explains the confusion. In this case then, having both a Personal Folders File (.pst) AND an Archive Folder (.pst) would seem to be redundant. In your configuration, I would choose to automatically archive to an Archive folder, particularly when your Exchange mailbox has been limited to 13 Mg.

            • #827458

              Generally speaking, the auto archiving process uses a PST that is not open for the user to access. I prefer to archive into PSTs that are open for searching. Stuff in archive.pst (I think there is some) is out of sight and out of mind…

            • #827574

              Not quite sure what you mean by ” the auto archiving process uses a PST that is not open for the user to access “. I auto archive and have access to everything that has been archived.

            • #827742

              Maybe I’ve misremembered, but I didn’t think archive.pst appeared in the Folder List by default. If one is interested in looking in it, one must open it using File>Open etc.

            • #827880

              It appears if autoarchive has done its thing at any stage – presumably the autoarchive process adds it.

            • #827881

              It appears if autoarchive has done its thing at any stage – presumably the autoarchive process adds it.

            • #827743

              Maybe I’ve misremembered, but I didn’t think archive.pst appeared in the Folder List by default. If one is interested in looking in it, one must open it using File>Open etc.

            • #827575

              Not quite sure what you mean by ” the auto archiving process uses a PST that is not open for the user to access “. I auto archive and have access to everything that has been archived.

            • #827459

              Generally speaking, the auto archiving process uses a PST that is not open for the user to access. I prefer to archive into PSTs that are open for searching. Stuff in archive.pst (I think there is some) is out of sight and out of mind…

            • #827470

              ranton
              It makes you wonder what the systems administrator of Exchange is trying to achieve.
              All they’re likely to do is have a nice tidy exchange system and lost mail all over the enterprise in a variety of C: drive cubbyholes.
              It’d be interesting to hear the business rationalle behind that grin
              rantoff

              And yes I agree – the two files would be superfluous – just stick with the archive one.
              Note, you can merge their contents by simply opening them both and dragging from one to t’other.

            • #827471

              ranton
              It makes you wonder what the systems administrator of Exchange is trying to achieve.
              All they’re likely to do is have a nice tidy exchange system and lost mail all over the enterprise in a variety of C: drive cubbyholes.
              It’d be interesting to hear the business rationalle behind that grin
              rantoff

              And yes I agree – the two files would be superfluous – just stick with the archive one.
              Note, you can merge their contents by simply opening them both and dragging from one to t’other.

          • #827319

            Okay – I think I know why there is confusion now. When you guys are saying “Personal Folders File” you are referring to your Outlook Mailbox (i.e. my Inbox, Calendar, Contacts, etc.) What I am talking about when I say “Personal Folders File” is an outside storage source that you set up manually through File | New | Personal Folders File in Outlook. In later versions of the software, they refer to this as an “Outlook Data File”, perhaps to avoid this very confusion.

            So, given that explaination, is it redundant to have an Archive Folder, into which you can automatically or manually move items older than a certain date, AND a Personal Folder File (different from your Outlook Mailbox), into which you can manually move items based on whatever your criteria of the day?

            p.s. We’re all on Exchange here with a 13mb limit on Mailboxes, so users never come anywhere NEAR that 2gb limit.

            Thanks again for bearing with me – Satiria

        • #827282

          OK, maybe I’m not quite sure what you are asking, but I’ll take a stab. First, the whole purpose of archiving is to control the size of your mailbox and keep it below the 2 GB limit.

          Archiving is a manual operation (File>Archive) and Auto Archiving is an automatic operation dependent upon the parameters and schedule that you have set.
          It is NOT redundant to have both a Personal Folders File and an Archive file. When your personal folders file (Outlook.pst) approaches the 2 GB limit, you will start receiving error messages and your mailbox will simply stop accepting new data. Archiving old data which you still want to keep MOVES the data to the archive folder and reduces the size of your mailbox so that it stays under the 2 GB limit. As I said previously, the archive folder will appear in the navigation pane and you can still access all of the information stored there. It is stored in a completely separate file, and I don’t believe that there is a file size limit (unless you are storing your archives on an Exchange Server).

          Basically, you have two choices. If you are a packrat (like me) and want to save older information without deleting it, you will archive. If you don’t want to archive, then you will have to manually keep your mailbox below the limit by compacting every so often and deleting items which you no longer want.

          Regarding your last statement that “users should have Auto Archive dump their stored emails into the Personal Folders File”, all of you emails ARE already stored in the Personal Files Folder. Even if you could do what you suggest, would that not be defeating the whole purpose behind archiving? You would simply be dumping all of the selected items back into the Outlook.pst file, creating duplicate entries, and increasing the file size.

      • #827234

        Hey John. Thanks for responding. Maybe I didn’t word my question right. I know what Archiving and AutoArchiving are and how they work. Is the only difference between storing information in an Archive Folder and storing information in a Personal Folders File the fact that Archiving will move the emails/contacts/whatever automatically? If that is the only difference, is it redundant (and confusing) to have both a Personal Folders File and an Archive Folder. I ask because I see many users who have both, and it seems that they should a.) only have one Personal Folders File (.pst) and b.) if they LIKE AutoArchiving, have AutoArchive dump their stored emails in that Personal Folders File (rather than storing their “archived” or “saved” information in two different places.

        Let me know if this doesn’t make sense.

    • #828151

      My 2cents:

      >Am I correct in stating that there is no difference in an Archive Folder and a Personal Folder? They are both Outlook Data Files (.pst).

      Yes, you are correct. The difference between an ‘active’ PST and an ‘archive’ PST is purely nominal, not structural.

      >And you can have the AutoArchive dump into an existing Personal Folder .pst file, correct?

      Yes, if you point to it in the archiving process. You can also reload an ‘active’ PST with data from an ‘archive’ PST, or can manually (without using autoarchive regularly, occasionally, or ever) archive data to a nominal ‘archive’ PST, or can never use

      >Why would you need to have a separate Archive and Personal Folder? Seems like you’d get mired in .pst files.

      Only to manage the volume of items. (Lots of items, especially with attachments, will run up to the maximum PST size; this has been addressed pretty well by other posters), and to organize your data according to your needs.

      OK, now I get long winded. At work I use a lot of folder structure to locate stuff in my PST, and leave almost nothing except Calendar items on the server side mailbox. (I should use categories more, but I don’t think that way.) I retain anything which may have a future business value (which is almost everything). At home, I don’t have a future value for junk jokes from relatives and offers to buy ** Spam post – please alert a Moderator **, so I’m a lot less structured and delete about 2/3rds of the messages and all past non-recurring calendar items. At work I just have my server side mailbox (plus a server side fax mailbox), one PST, and one archive, which I manage manually. At home just the one PST.

      And backups.

      • #828302

        Hi all – Thanks for everything that you’ve written back. Didn’t realize I was opening such a can of worms.

        ranton Andrew – it seems like every place that I’ve worked this scenario has come up. The server side exchange Mailbox has a limit – sometimes larger like the 55mb limit at the last place I worked, and sometimes smaller like the 13mb limit here. I believe the general purpose is to force users to clean up and prioritize their Inboxes, Sent Items, etc. which a lot of them WON’T do unless they see that annoying little “Your Mailbox is overs its size limit” error. When they do meet that maximum, you of course have those that will complain and want a larger size limit. Since you can’t change the rules for one person without changing the rules for all….then you end up suggesting Personal Folders, which becomes complicated if they already had other Archive folders, etc. Multiple .pst files everywhere!!!

        And while we’re on the subject of Archive – does anyone else have a problem with that AutoArchive message that pops up early on in a new user’s Outlook “session” The one that basically says “AutoArchive does _____. Would you like turn this on” If you don’t take the time to read the mile-long message, then the average person is likely to choose Yes, which turns on their AutoArchive and begins dumping items every 15 days into an Archive.pst file that it created. And, if I’m not mistaken, the items that it dumps automatically (without you having to configure the folder’s properties) are your Sent and Deleted Items. Like I need to save those. I just think it would be better if the message never came up.

        Exhale…… I think I just have something personally against AutoArchive. If I had my preference everyone would use a Personal Folders File and manually move items. OR…if they just HAD to move big date-based batches at a time automatically…they could manually Archive under File | Archive. I feel like AutoArchive is one of the CAUSES of those little batches of lost emails all over the hard drive. rantoff

        • #828420

          Can of Worms – that’s how we get our entertainment and learn new things grin

          • #850192

            What I have been told is that the main difference between an archive folder (archive.pst) and a personal folder (personal.pst) is that while you may have the personal folder open while you are working ( online), and that the archive folder opens up to autoarchive and then closes. Because archive closes, the probability that it will get corrupt is much less than the always open personal folder. And since the archive folder has all your old important emails those are the ones you don’t want to lose.
            Redundant, sure, but at least everything is then time sensitive. Stuff on your server pst, is current stuff, the stuff in personal folders is within the last xxx months and the archive stuff is whenever you want to look for that one email that explained the one thing. bif

            • #850482

              I agree entirely – there is a place for an archive pst alongside a personal pst for exactly the reasons you raise.
              My rant related to the archive files that exchange systems administrators trigger. In an exchange system, the database is a database, not a PST file of any description.

            • #850483

              I agree entirely – there is a place for an archive pst alongside a personal pst for exactly the reasons you raise.
              My rant related to the archive files that exchange systems administrators trigger. In an exchange system, the database is a database, not a PST file of any description.

          • #850193

            What I have been told is that the main difference between an archive folder (archive.pst) and a personal folder (personal.pst) is that while you may have the personal folder open while you are working ( online), and that the archive folder opens up to autoarchive and then closes. Because archive closes, the probability that it will get corrupt is much less than the always open personal folder. And since the archive folder has all your old important emails those are the ones you don’t want to lose.
            Redundant, sure, but at least everything is then time sensitive. Stuff on your server pst, is current stuff, the stuff in personal folders is within the last xxx months and the archive stuff is whenever you want to look for that one email that explained the one thing. bif

          • #852199

            Not sure if this is the right place to post this (I’m using Outlook as part of Office XP, not 2000) but Andrew’s “can of worms” comment reminded me of something I’d like to do and haven’t figured out how, yet, in Outlook (in Entourage, the Mac version of Outlook, it’s easy) — that is to set a time for deleting items from your Sent and Inbox folders. I used to have Entourage set to delete all Sent messages older than 30 days, and all inbox messages older than 3 days. I would manually delete most of my inbox messages but kept one category/sender (listserv) of messages so they were readily available if someone asked (in the 3-day time span) “Did anyone save that message about XXX from YYY?” I don’t see any way to set up this “Auto-delete” function. question (Just checked my Inbox size (which contains a number of categorized (personal?) folders, and it totals 1800 KB — still a long way from 2GB!)

            • #852207

              Outlook provides for this service through what’s called ‘Archiving’. Archiving includes the ability to delete the items rather than archive them to backup storage (many business users prefer to keep the backup). You’ll find the options under Tools | Options | Other | Autoarchive, note the various deletion options. HTH.

            • #852231

              OK — I checked that out and I had set autoarchive to 14 days, and 6 mo for clean out items older than… and move them to an archive folder. During Auto Archive I have all three checked (delete expired items (e-mail folders only), archive or delete old items, and show archive folder in folder list. The only thing I’m really concerned about is the “personal” folders I’ve set up within my Inbox folder. These are various categories where I save email messages that I might want to access later (i.e. one is “Reading List” with recommendations from my librarian listserv; another is messages relating to my genealogy research) There is a message in the genealogy folder dated 7 Jan 2004 but other than that, they’re all “younger” than 6 mo. (altho’ there are many “older” than 14 days). Some folders are emptier than I thought they would be — have I inadvertently auto-deleted my messages I thought I was saving?? confused

            • #852241

              Based on those settings you may have deleted some items permanently. Open your Archive PST and see what’s in there.

              For future reference, you can set AutoArchive individually by folder; right click each folder and select Properties | Autoarchive tab, then set that folder how you want (my menus are 2003, but they should be very similar).

            • #852340

              Well — I’d do that if I could find the .pst file! I did a search on *.pst and found nothing.
              >may have deleted some items permanently
              Ooops! How do I fix that? Or are you referring to items which I manually deleted? And of course, to add to the problem, I’ve used 3 different machines (one Mac, a desktop PC and this laptop — who knows which machine I was using when I “saved” the messages I though I had?

            • #852344

              PSTs in Windows 2000/Office 2000 and later are usually in a hidden subdirectory, so you would have to run your search using “Search hidden files and folders”. I can’t remember a faster way to find the archive PST in Outlook 2000, but I think if you simply start a manual Archive through the File | Archive menu, you will be pointed to the last archive used, and if you haven’t created multiple archives, that should be the only one.

              Regarding the deleted items, I mean any that you set to delete via the autoarchiving options. If messages have been permanently deleted, and (it sounds like) you are on a home/standlone machine not on Exchange Server, there’s no way to retrieve them. I recommend that you go into each Folder you want to permanently keep stuff in and set the Folder Archive setting as I explained above.

              Good luck with the three machines!

            • #852435

              John — Thanks for all your help. I did go to the Inbox folder properties and it says “do not archive material in this folder” so I guess I actually dumped the stuff myself, OR it’s on one of the other machines!! Maybe I should consider trying to use only one machine But some of the stuff I do still works better on my old Mac than on the PC. Sure is fun trying to get my fingers to remember which system I’m using; the keyboard commands on the Mac use the Apple/Cmd key whereas the same ones on the PC use the Ctrl key. So if I’ve been on the Mac and then shift to the PC I find myself pressing the Alt key instead of the Ctrl key, since the Apple key is in the same position as the Alt key! Ah, well… Thanks again.

            • #852436

              John — Thanks for all your help. I did go to the Inbox folder properties and it says “do not archive material in this folder” so I guess I actually dumped the stuff myself, OR it’s on one of the other machines!! Maybe I should consider trying to use only one machine But some of the stuff I do still works better on my old Mac than on the PC. Sure is fun trying to get my fingers to remember which system I’m using; the keyboard commands on the Mac use the Apple/Cmd key whereas the same ones on the PC use the Ctrl key. So if I’ve been on the Mac and then shift to the PC I find myself pressing the Alt key instead of the Ctrl key, since the Apple key is in the same position as the Alt key! Ah, well… Thanks again.

            • #852345

              PSTs in Windows 2000/Office 2000 and later are usually in a hidden subdirectory, so you would have to run your search using “Search hidden files and folders”. I can’t remember a faster way to find the archive PST in Outlook 2000, but I think if you simply start a manual Archive through the File | Archive menu, you will be pointed to the last archive used, and if you haven’t created multiple archives, that should be the only one.

              Regarding the deleted items, I mean any that you set to delete via the autoarchiving options. If messages have been permanently deleted, and (it sounds like) you are on a home/standlone machine not on Exchange Server, there’s no way to retrieve them. I recommend that you go into each Folder you want to permanently keep stuff in and set the Folder Archive setting as I explained above.

              Good luck with the three machines!

            • #852341

              Well — I’d do that if I could find the .pst file! I did a search on *.pst and found nothing.
              >may have deleted some items permanently
              Ooops! How do I fix that? Or are you referring to items which I manually deleted? And of course, to add to the problem, I’ve used 3 different machines (one Mac, a desktop PC and this laptop — who knows which machine I was using when I “saved” the messages I though I had?

            • #852242

              Based on those settings you may have deleted some items permanently. Open your Archive PST and see what’s in there.

              For future reference, you can set AutoArchive individually by folder; right click each folder and select Properties | Autoarchive tab, then set that folder how you want (my menus are 2003, but they should be very similar).

            • #852232

              OK — I checked that out and I had set autoarchive to 14 days, and 6 mo for clean out items older than… and move them to an archive folder. During Auto Archive I have all three checked (delete expired items (e-mail folders only), archive or delete old items, and show archive folder in folder list. The only thing I’m really concerned about is the “personal” folders I’ve set up within my Inbox folder. These are various categories where I save email messages that I might want to access later (i.e. one is “Reading List” with recommendations from my librarian listserv; another is messages relating to my genealogy research) There is a message in the genealogy folder dated 7 Jan 2004 but other than that, they’re all “younger” than 6 mo. (altho’ there are many “older” than 14 days). Some folders are emptier than I thought they would be — have I inadvertently auto-deleted my messages I thought I was saving?? confused

            • #852208

              Outlook provides for this service through what’s called ‘Archiving’. Archiving includes the ability to delete the items rather than archive them to backup storage (many business users prefer to keep the backup). You’ll find the options under Tools | Options | Other | Autoarchive, note the various deletion options. HTH.

          • #852200

            Not sure if this is the right place to post this (I’m using Outlook as part of Office XP, not 2000) but Andrew’s “can of worms” comment reminded me of something I’d like to do and haven’t figured out how, yet, in Outlook (in Entourage, the Mac version of Outlook, it’s easy) — that is to set a time for deleting items from your Sent and Inbox folders. I used to have Entourage set to delete all Sent messages older than 30 days, and all inbox messages older than 3 days. I would manually delete most of my inbox messages but kept one category/sender (listserv) of messages so they were readily available if someone asked (in the 3-day time span) “Did anyone save that message about XXX from YYY?” I don’t see any way to set up this “Auto-delete” function. question (Just checked my Inbox size (which contains a number of categorized (personal?) folders, and it totals 1800 KB — still a long way from 2GB!)

        • #828421

          Can of Worms – that’s how we get our entertainment and learn new things grin

      • #828303

        Hi all – Thanks for everything that you’ve written back. Didn’t realize I was opening such a can of worms.

        ranton Andrew – it seems like every place that I’ve worked this scenario has come up. The server side exchange Mailbox has a limit – sometimes larger like the 55mb limit at the last place I worked, and sometimes smaller like the 13mb limit here. I believe the general purpose is to force users to clean up and prioritize their Inboxes, Sent Items, etc. which a lot of them WON’T do unless they see that annoying little “Your Mailbox is overs its size limit” error. When they do meet that maximum, you of course have those that will complain and want a larger size limit. Since you can’t change the rules for one person without changing the rules for all….then you end up suggesting Personal Folders, which becomes complicated if they already had other Archive folders, etc. Multiple .pst files everywhere!!!

        And while we’re on the subject of Archive – does anyone else have a problem with that AutoArchive message that pops up early on in a new user’s Outlook “session” The one that basically says “AutoArchive does _____. Would you like turn this on” If you don’t take the time to read the mile-long message, then the average person is likely to choose Yes, which turns on their AutoArchive and begins dumping items every 15 days into an Archive.pst file that it created. And, if I’m not mistaken, the items that it dumps automatically (without you having to configure the folder’s properties) are your Sent and Deleted Items. Like I need to save those. I just think it would be better if the message never came up.

        Exhale…… I think I just have something personally against AutoArchive. If I had my preference everyone would use a Personal Folders File and manually move items. OR…if they just HAD to move big date-based batches at a time automatically…they could manually Archive under File | Archive. I feel like AutoArchive is one of the CAUSES of those little batches of lost emails all over the hard drive. rantoff

    • #828152

      My 2cents:

      >Am I correct in stating that there is no difference in an Archive Folder and a Personal Folder? They are both Outlook Data Files (.pst).

      Yes, you are correct. The difference between an ‘active’ PST and an ‘archive’ PST is purely nominal, not structural.

      >And you can have the AutoArchive dump into an existing Personal Folder .pst file, correct?

      Yes, if you point to it in the archiving process. You can also reload an ‘active’ PST with data from an ‘archive’ PST, or can manually (without using autoarchive regularly, occasionally, or ever) archive data to a nominal ‘archive’ PST, or can never use

      >Why would you need to have a separate Archive and Personal Folder? Seems like you’d get mired in .pst files.

      Only to manage the volume of items. (Lots of items, especially with attachments, will run up to the maximum PST size; this has been addressed pretty well by other posters), and to organize your data according to your needs.

      OK, now I get long winded. At work I use a lot of folder structure to locate stuff in my PST, and leave almost nothing except Calendar items on the server side mailbox. (I should use categories more, but I don’t think that way.) I retain anything which may have a future business value (which is almost everything). At home, I don’t have a future value for junk jokes from relatives and offers to buy ** Spam post – please alert a Moderator **, so I’m a lot less structured and delete about 2/3rds of the messages and all past non-recurring calendar items. At work I just have my server side mailbox (plus a server side fax mailbox), one PST, and one archive, which I manage manually. At home just the one PST.

      And backups.

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