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    #2401977

    “We’ve noticed that you’re using non-AOL applications”

    I received today a email from AOL, my current email service provider, with complicated and not easy to understand instructions I must perform by December 21st to be able to continue using AOL to do email, or else I’ll become unable, from that day on, to receive or send any more emails:

    We love that you love using AOL email. And we want to make sure you always have the best experience. That’s why we’re reaching out today.

    We’ve noticed that you’re using non-AOL applications (such as third-party email, calendar, or contact applications) that may use a less secure sign-in method. To protect you and your data, AOL will no longer support the current sign-in functionality in your application starting on December 20, 2021. This means that you will need to take one of the steps below to continue using your AOL Mail without interruption.

    But don’t worry, you have options:

    Well, these options require that I perform those rather complicated and not very well explained procedures I am not really keen to perform.

    Curiously, looking around to see if this email is a scam — i.e. not really from AOL —  I discovered that another email worded in the same way was sent last year with the deadline of October 20th, 2020, but that day came and went and nothing happened. I don’t even remember receiving that email, but I must have.

    AOL is now in the hands of a financial company, no longer an IT one, which makes me doubt its “reliability of service” so I have been considering cutting my cord with it and attaching a new cord to another email service provider (are those companies actually know as “email service providers?”) And I am thinking about switching to Protonmail, at least for the time being, while keeping my AOL account while I try Proton and, if it works for me, have time to send my  new email address to all those that are likely to write to me as well as places where they have my current email address, all this before December 21st.

    But here is the thing: Proton (same as Gmail) keeps all of one’s emails in their “Cloud” servers, and I want to be able to keep copies of them also in my own computer, at home. So I would need to be able to use Proton as if it had an SMTP server for outgoing emails and a POP3 server for incoming ones, a deal that would let me keep copies of my sent and received emails. One of my two clients: Thunderbird, right now, with one AOL account only, is setup that way, so it keeps the copies of my emails without asking any external parties for permission, and I hope this may still be possible with Proton+Bridge: please, correct me if I am wrong.

    There is an application the makers of Proton provide that would seem to allow things to work as if the receiving server were POP or IMAP. It’s called “Bridge”, but the explanations I’ve found of what it can actually be done with it are unclear, so I am left with the doubt as to whether it might or might not allow keeping copies of sent and received messages in one’s computer.
    Trying to find out by doing Internet searches has been both very frustrating and unproductive.

    If with Proton it turned out be impossible to do what I want, which other email services are there that are reliable, secure and easy to use?

    I shall be very grateful for any clarification of these issues.

    Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

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    • #2401992

      If it is an *official* email from AOL, the little icon on the left side (if you use the desktop software) or right side (online) of the messages pane will be BLUE.   Otherwise, consider it a spam/scam.

      "War is the remedy our enemies have chosen. And I say let us give them all they want" ----- William T. Sherman

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      • #2402001

        ClearThunder: “If it is an *official* email from AOL […]”

        Thanks for explaining this. But that validation method does not seem to work with Thunderbird in my Mac. I might have found out, in a more roundabout way, that it is most likely from AOL. The one last year, with the same message and a deadline of 21 October (2020) was validated, among others, by MS.

        Whether it is for real or not, I still would like to change email service, for the reason explained in my initial comment.

        Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

        MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
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    • #2402011

      At this link also is: “Bridge software is currently available only to ProtonMail paying users.” If that makes any difference.

      I believe that there are Proton users here on AW.

      A test ‘Add Account’ with POP resulted in this. Office 365? Curious.
      Proton

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      • #2402018

        PaulK: Maybe at Proton they think everyone is using 365? But I am guessing you did not get far enough to open a dialog box for setting up the incoming and outgoing servers. Thanks anyway.

        Also: there are two monthly prices: a low one and a steeper one, for using the paid service; the low priced one is not much more expensive than AOL, so I would not mind paying, as long as what I pay for works for me, that is.

        As you also point out: there are others at AW that use Proton — so some of them might know about this.

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        • #2402058

          Well, uh, this IS the panel where one defines the servers to be used. The ones shown are the ones that Thunderbird found as the default ones for Proton.com. (Note the green check mark.) What is unknown here is what other servers/definitions may exist.

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          • #2402062

            PaulK: Looking at your posted picture more carefully, I get the impression that now Proton has both SMTP for sending and POP3 for receiving email.

            That is remarkable, because my searches on the Web limited to content posted in the last 12 months got only hits saying that POP3 is not yet available in Proton. So this must be something one can get now using Bridge.

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    • #2402027

      If you are open to using Gmail, there is an easy (and free) way to have Thunderbird download your email. How To is explained on this page:

      Read Gmail messages on other email clients using POP
      You can open your messages from Gmail in other mail clients that support POP, like Microsoft Outlook.

       

       

      • #2402035

        owburp, Thanks. That could be one practical solution to my problem. I do have a Gmail account, from the early days when it was being offered to people that were recommended by other people … and I have it set up to reflect received mails to my Verizon/AOL account, that is something different from the what you describe. So I really should investigate what you suggest.

        It would also be desirable to have an automatic way of deleting the mails in the Gmail server after they are received by my client, because my worry is that, some day, a black hat might successfully break in and steal them (along with a lot of other emails) and this will make the news big time, as it happens often these days, if kept “in the Cloud.”  And Gmail, the same as Proton, is “in the Cloud.”

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    • #2402041

      ” … and I have it set up to reflect received mails to my Verizon/AOL account”

      By that, you mean you have mail coming into the Gmail account and it all gets forwarded to your AOL account?

      If so, then once you set up a new Gmail account to replace the AOL account, you could switch the forwarding and have the old Gmail account forward to the new Gmail account. (and then the new Gmail account forwards it all to Thunderbird)

      “It would also be desirable to have an automatic way of deleting the mails in the Gmail server after they are received by my client, …”

      Yep, Gmail handles all that. If you want to see how easy it is, log into your current Gmail account, click the gear symbol in the upper right corner of the screen, click the See all settings button, then click on the Forwarding and POP/IMAP link near the top. In the POP download section, item 2. When messages are accessed with POP, click the drop down arrow and you’ll see how to delete the messages when you set up the new account.

      Or, of course, you could just use the one existing Gmail account and have Thunderbird get everything from there.

       

       

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      • #2402064

        owburp: “you have mail coming into the Gmail account and it all gets forwarded to your AOL account?

        Yes, that how it works. Now, if there is a way to save the sent mails only in my computer, not in the server, I’ll like to hear about that too.

        Question: Are the sent emails (for example using Thunderbird) saved only in the Gmail’s SMTP server, not also in one’s computer? I had thought that the client (e.g. Thunderbird) always kept a copy of every email sent with it, regardless of what the SMTP server did.

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        • #2402166

          Thunderbird is quit flexible. Look at ‘Copies and Folders’ in your account.

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    • #2402054

      I download my email using POP3 from multiple free GMAIL accounts at once to my mail client. I have GMAIL automatically delete the mail on the server after download. I realize I need to backup the local mail database and do so monthly at least. This restricts me to a single host for email, unlike IMAP.

      GMAIL’s POP3 behavior is that the received mail is moved to the trash and really deleted after 30 days. So I have a temporary backup on the server.

      GMAIL’s SMTP behavior is to leave all sent mail on the server. For that problem, I have to log into each mail account on the web using 2FA/MFA and delete the mail manually, if I wish. I am not aware of an option to delete sent mail on just the server automatically, but wish there was.

      I choose not to use IMAP, because I don’t want my email to reside on a server I don’t control.

      I never have to provide passwords for my multiple GMAIL accounts to my mail client. There is a one time procedure to generate a different GMAIL 16 character application password for each mail account and have the mail client remember it.

      Windows 10 22H2 desktops & laptops on Dell, HP, ASUS; No servers, no domain.

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    • #2402055

      Not sure if this is helpful, but I am reporting that I have been a very satisfied user of Thunderbird for many years, through many versions.

      Back when we had local phone companies, and only dial-up internet, my ISP was Pacific Bell, which of course became part of AT&T.
      So my email address was something like “userXYZ@pacbell.net”. Many other people have email accounts from att.net, swbell.net, sbcglobal.net, and so on.
      Eventually, AT&T decided to outsource the email processing for their domains to Yahoo, and today those accounts can be accessed using a web browser via mail.yahoo.com.

      But I was never satisfied to have my emails only in “the cloud”.
      So a long time ago, I set up Thunderbird to download all the messages from  the AT&T email server to my own hard drive. In the setup, I had an option to leave downloaded messages on the POP server, or to delete them.
      Anyway, I have had this setup for a long time, and it is still working fine today. And I can still use a web browser to access my email account as well.  Of course I back up my local Thunderbird files to external media.

       

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    • #2402075

      OscarCP: Are the sent emails (for example using Thunderbird) saved only in the Gmail’s SMTP server, not also in one’s computer?

      It’s been a very long time since I used a mail client (Pegasus, I seem to recall) to download my email from a server, so I can’t answer that question. I will defer to @oldfry and his direct experiences for the answer.

    • #2402129

      I don’t think Proton allows clients unless you subscribe.  I had them as a free service and had to use the web version, when I subscribed, I could use TBird.  Be aware that Proton will bundle your free email, if you start that way, with your VPN subscription if you get one.  Billing is recurring; if you stop subscribing, your email can be held hostage, read: locked.

      I had so many problems with Proton, I’d never use them again.  They were very disorganized 2 or so years ago.  VPN became slow over time, too.

      Subscription services have been far better overall for me, although I still use gmail, less and less.  You already know the migration process, kind of a pain but worth it in the end.

      Mailbox.org is what I use now.  No complaints at all  for 5? years beyond the cloud storage they give you can be slow.  You get a complete office suite and other stuff with email, can build whatever package you want. Works with TBird and phone clients, I use FairMail on Android.

      Here’s a good list, pay attention to whether a particular service supports clients if you want to use TBird:

      https://restoreprivacy.com/email/secure/

       

      • #2402130

        Well, that giant link should be easy to find…why did it do that? Argh!

      • #2402196

        SallyBrown:

        Thanks! That is a directory of secure services!

        I like, of course, the ones that offer SMTP and POP3. But I am concerned about only the subject being visible (not encrypted) and available to search for messages, because I also need to see the address of the sender. I do not care if the NSA and its equivalent Russian, Chinese, Iranian, Uruguayan, etc., etc. can also see that, but I often need to be able to search through the emails sent by a particular correspondent. And I also need to see who the sender is, to decide if I want to answer, keep, send it to the Junk folder, or delete unread, an email just received.

        Now, about fat picture links inserted by mistake:

        You can always convert a picture link to a blue string-of-characters one after posting a comment. All you have to do is edit the comment (one has about one hour and a half after  first submitting it to do that), cut the link with something like “Ctrl+X” (“Command+X with a Mac; anyhow, that removes the link and saves it in temporary storage), then use the linking widget (the third one from the right in the bar above the space for writing comments) and paste (with something like “Ctrl+V”) the temporarily saved link that, at this point, will be just a character string, in the field the widget provides and then click on the blue square to the right of this field to insert the blue string-of-characters link in your comment.

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    • #2402138

      The procedure AOL refers to isn’t complicated (just fuzzy language). It basically requires you to visit your account ( myaccount.aol.com ) and generate a special App Password to be used with 3rd party mail clients.

      I did it for my Compuserve account (= AOL), which I use with Thunderbird POP and SMPT. Works like a charm (so far). I have used Compuserve for 30+ years, so changing ain’t no option for me…

      If you look for a different service, check out Zoho Mail. It’s a business service and to complex for many users, but I use a free email account as a backup to connect via POP and IMAP ( zoho.com/mail ) with my Thunderbird client.

      As for ProtonMail, I use it too, but only as a secure webmail service. Setting it up for IMAP (I think POP is not yet possible) hasn’t been an issue for me yet .. but I think it too complex (via the “Bridge”) and less secure as you have one password only. I use the two passwords (login and mailbox) web version. End my toolbox!

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      • #2402185

        Thank, Anonymous!

        So you have also received and, or seen the same email as I did yesterday?

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          • #2402199

            Thanks, CBA. The comments in the site of the link you gave me are from last year, when the same thing happened. There are people who did as required and had some problems afterwards.

            I hope that a similar thread for this time is available soon, so I can find out what is going on now.

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            • #2402206

              If we sent you an email indicating that your app is using outdated security protocols or you’re unable to log in from an older app, you still have several options available to you.

              Continue using third-party mail apps securely

              Use an app password

              More information on specific third-party platforms

              Ways to securely access AOL Mail

            • #2402220

              Thanks, b.

              Now I have  a six naïve question, as I have never deleted an account:

              When I do that, I imagine that, once I create the new account, as indicated below, I’ll be able to see, once more, what was in my various TB folders (mailbox, sent, etc.) put there when I was using the old account. Right?

              From the site with b’s URL link:

              Access mail via Thunderbird

              Remove your AOL account and set it up again in the Thunderbird email client.

              1. Go to Tools/ Account Settings.
              2. Select your account in the list.
              3. Go to Account Actions at the bottom left.
              4. Click Remove Accounts.
              5. Click Add Accounts and type in the email address and password.
              -Thunderbird will then automatically activate the secure sign-in method for your account.

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            • #2402227

              Yes.

    • #2402143

      Everyone’s experience is different however I have nothing but good to say about Protonmail.  I have had the free Protonmail in the past but now have two paid versions.  Whenever I had a question they were very prompt in replying and helpful.

      I have never used their VPN so cannot comment on that.

      Protonmail may not work out for Oscar CP as regards using the Bridge/Thunderbird etc. but I just wanted to give them a good review from my useage in case others are contemplating it.  I have one Protonmail email  that is only for banking and I feel very secure with my switch from GMail to Protonmail.

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    • #2402189

      I’ve been using Protonmail with their bridge application for a few years (to download email into Outlook). The bridge is only available to paid accounts and as the name implies provides a connection (bridge) between an email client and the Protonmail servers. This is required in order to decrypt/encrypt your email stored on Protonmail’s servers (where it is always encrypted). The bridge itself already has the Protonmail server information stored within it and is what communicates directly to Protonmail. Otherwise communication between the bridge and the email client is what uses IMAP and SMTP.

      So once the bridge is installed and you add your Protonmail account to it there is an option below your account within the bridge called mailbox configuration. This shows all the IMAP and SMTP settings, security protocol and username/password that you will need to add to your email client. For more info start here (in particular step 2: Configure Client section): https://protonmail.com/bridge/

    • #2402204

      I have always had a single email account, so I need to ask a few very naïve questions:

      While I transition from AOL to another service, hoping it will be better (not a hard thing to be), I’ll have two accounts in my client, in this case Thunderbird: AOL’s and that of the new service.

      (1) When I launch TB, in which of the two accounts am I going to end up, right away?

      (2) If with Proton I have no choice but to use an IMAP incoming server, can I save permanently unencrypted copies of the contents of the mailbox in a folder in TB?

      (3) Can one delete, or set to be deleted automatically after x days, the emails kept in the Proton IMAP server?

      (4) With Bridge, can I use Proton as it it had a POP3 server, not an IMAP one?

      (5) Does Proton keep also my sent mails in their SMTP server, as I’m told that Gmail does, or in some other server? If it does, how can I delete those sent emails?
      (I prefer not to have any of my correspondence somewhere in the “Cloud”, however protected and encrypted it might be.)

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      MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
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      • #2402233

        Answer to (1): whichever you select as the Default. Below, I clicked on the 2nd account, and clicked on Account Actions.
        Default

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      • #2402280

        1 – I’m not sure about Thunderbird (never used it). But with Outlook it is normally configured to use a single profile that will take you directly into the application. There is also a setting to tell it what email account to start in when it first opens. Numerous other email accounts can be added to it and will show as additional mailboxes. I have my Outlook configured to use a local PST file where it stores all its data (ex. mail, calendar, contacts, tasks, etc.). The file is stored in a directory with the rest of my data so it is included in backups.

        2 – IMAP is a protocol not a separate mail server. All email is kept in your Protonmail account until you delete it.

        Even though Protonmail is encrypted I also prefer not to keep anything permanently stored there. So for anything I want to keep permanently (and then delete off Protonmail’s servers) I copy/paste the item into a custom folder in Outlook (called Saved Items. Also part of/stored within the PST file). Then I delete the item from Protonmail (usually via the Android app since it is easier).

        3 – I’m not sure if there is an option to delete email after a certain period of time as I do not use/need that function. But it may be an option.

        4 – no POP3 protocol is not supported. I believe because it cannot properly decrypt/encrypt email between the mail client and the bridge.

        5 – SMTP is a protocol not a separate mail server. Sent mail is kept in a sent folder that is part of your Protonmail account. Items can be deleted (individual or everything) which will move them to the trash folder.

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    • #2402214

      OscarCP – while I don’t have all the answers you require regarding Protonmail and Thunderbird I have a suggestion.  You could open a free Protonmail account and then test drive it  using the “bridge” to join it to your Thunderbird account.  If it does not perform as you wish you can just delete the free Protonmail account.

      How does that sound?

      • #2402232

        Anonymous, Thanks.

        I am not clear about the following: to use Proton with Bridge, is it not necessary to have a paid Proton account (besides paying also for Bridge)?

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        • #2402253

          OscarCP — My bad.  I totally forgot that you cannot use the Bridge with a free account.  So sorry!

        • #2402239

          Yes you need a paid plan to use Protonmail Bridge. Otherwise there is no additional cost for the bridge itself. See this for information on their different plans and what each plan includes: https://protonmail.com/support/knowledge-base/paid-plans/

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    • #2402267

      Anonymous, or anyone who knows some of the answers to my questions here #2402204 :
      If you can let me know what these answers are, I shall really appreciate the help.

      Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

      MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
      Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
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      • #2402292

        It appears that Protonmail does not support POP3.  Gmail can be used with POP3.

        You don’t seem like the target for this solution, but it is possible to create email exports and archives using some IMAP email clients.  You could do it twice a year or as often as you feel necessary.

        • #2402305

          Anonymous, It looks like Gmail keeps copies of the messages sent with their SMTP server in this server and it is a real job to remove them from there. That is not great, from my point of view. So using POP3 with them is just fine by me, but oddly enough, their SMTP server is a problem.

          Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

          MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
          Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
          macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV

    • #2402268

      I am not clear about the following: to use Proton with Bridge, is it not necessary to have a paid Proton account (besides paying also for Bridge)?

      I’m not crazy about how iPhone’s default mail app handles my ISP’s mail where I have 5 accounts all in Thunderbird (POP accounts) and access them on my two Dell desktop computers. Thunderbird is not available for iPhone as a mail client…how I wish it was! So, I decided some time ago to try ProtonMail on my iPhone. I put one account (that is in my ISP’s mail accounts on my computers) also on the iPhone in the rather surprisingly lousy Apple email. Then I also added Proton mail on my iPhone but not on my computer. I have the plain Proton account (free).

      If I want ProtonMail Plus, I can pay $60 a year and get 5 email addresses, 5GB storage capacity, IMAP/SMTP support via Proton Mail Bridge and Labels, Folders, Filters, etc.

      I don’t like IMAP and primarily use my ISP’s email accounts as POP in Thunderbird. But Proton is nice to have on my iPhone even though it is the free version. (It’s better than Apple’s default mail app which only gets two stars rating in Apple App Store). ProtonMail now has Face ID for iPhone which it did not have when I first got it and that discouraged me from using it much but with Face ID it is easier to use and more secure.

      I don’t want to be nosy so ignore this if I am being too intrusive but I wonder why you don’t use your ISP’s email in TB on your MacBook? I get UP TO 10 FREE EMAIL ACCOUNTS through my ISP (I think it is still 10) and can configure all of them for POP in Thunderbird on my Dell computers. (I have Charter/Spectrum ISP). I have them set up to download the mail to my computers and also keep it on the server forever. If I want to delete a particular email(s) off the server, I just Telnet into the server and do so.

      I’ve been using TB (on my computers) as my email client since its inception.

      • #2402275

        Mele20: “I wonder why you don’t use your ISP’s email in TB on your MacBook?

        My ISP is Verizon, but Verizon then bought AOL and gave it the email part of the business, keeping the Internet, TV and telephone ones. Last year AOL was bought by some financial company, where they might know all about Hedge Funds, buyouts, mergers and acquisitions, but it is unclear they know anything about IT. And AOL was not exactly great even before this later change of owner.

        Now about Mail: do you have Big Sur in a Mac? Mail worked very nicely for me until I went from using Mojave to using Big Sur this August. Then it developed  some problems, such as not starting to download emails when I open Mail, but needing some prodding to do it. So I started using Thunderbird, that had its own problems, such as the letters looking really tiny unless one does a fiddle in about:config.

        In fact, Thunderbird has required already several fiddles, in the two months since I started using it, to get it to work more or less acceptably.

        Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

        MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
        Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
        macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV

    • #2402314

      So I started using Thunderbird, that had its own problems, such as the letters looking really tiny unless one does a fiddle in about:config.

      I use TB in my Linux box, and the type size selection is definitely substandard. Instead of letting the user set the size in points (10pt, 12pt, etc.), the only choices range from “tiny” to “huge” without stating the precise size that these labels represent. Typically I try to set it at what they call “large”, but then TB has a habit of switching back to some very small type when I hit Enter to start a new paragraph. It’s very annoying.

      Will have to explore about:config to see if it provides more granular and reliable control, but then it’s outrageous that such a basic control would get hidden away in the geek swamp of about:config.

       

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    • #2403919

      OK, I am back asking this question: Has anybody that gets their emails sent and received using AOL has recently received an email from AOL that the service will be terminated in late December, that is to say, late next month, unless one takes certain steps to re-subscribe to AOL, if one uses a third-party email client (i.e. not one of AOL) such as Thunderbird?

      I am particularly interested to know how this has worked out with Thunderbird and exactly what was done to take care of AOL’s ultimatum.

      For example: Has anyone here followed the steps recommended in the AOL article linked in that email to re-subscribe with a new password exclusively meant for their Thunderbird account?

      If so, perhaps those who have done this could tell us now about their experiences?

      Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

      MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
      Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
      macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV

      • #2403933

        @OscarCP, I have not received a notification to the effect that my service will be terminated unless I take those security steps. This could be because I did enable that “app password” some time ago. Maybe they’re getting more aggressive about moving people to this (presumably more secure) process.

        I have three email accounts that are managed by AOL: two that carried over from Verizon, and one from CompuServe (!). Curiously, as circumstances had it, each of these accounts is handled by a different email client: the CompuServe account in eM Client on a Windows 10 PC; one Verizon account in Outlook 2019 on the same PC; and the other Verizon account on Thunderbird in a Linux box. They have all had their own app passwords applied to them and I haven’t had any issues with this setup on any of them.

        The setup process wasn’t difficult and the main problem was getting my head around the idea of a separate “app” password distinct from the email account password. On those rare occasions when I do check my email via a browser (say, to look at what their spam filter caught), it feels weird to be entering a different password (the original one), but it all seems to be working fine.

        Good luck with your own transition.

         

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        • #2404009

          Cybertooth,

          Is the new application-specific password you are using one that one needs to enter every time one uses the client, or as it has always been, is it part of the client’s setup, so it is automatically entered without one even noticing, when one launches the client to see what is waiting to be read in the mailbox?

          Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

          MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
          Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
          macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV

          • #2404024

            You have to enter the “app password” (into the settings for Outlook, Thunderbird, etc.) the same way as you had originally entered the email account password. From TB’s viewpoint, this is the password for your email and it replaces the “real” one that you’ve had all along.

            So yes, you only enter it a single time (into your TB settings), TB will remember it, and then things work the same as before.

             

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