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ISSUE 20.20 • 2023-05-15 MICROSOFT NEWS By Will Fastie On May 4, Microsoft announced the “next wave of AI innovation.” Well, we’ll see about that. The
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Ahh, the ‘AI’ is all around us, just like 25 years ago when all of a sudden, all products where prefixed with ‘i’ as in ‘we now do internet!’ with Apple being the most ridiculous by prefixing all their products.

Anyway, the news about Edge is a bummer – I quite like Edge, but if it’s starting to be Bing-all-over-the-place I’m not so sure I will keep using it….

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Did George Orwell foresee a world with Artificial Intelligence with Quantum Computing, and this world still inhabitable by humans?
#justasking

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I do not use Edge, nor do I have any plans to use it.  I have not enjoyed jumping through hoops to turn off all the embedded crap that comes up every time the thing opens.  The only reason I don’t completely remove it is because I’m not sure what in Windows is relying on it to be there.  I have made sure it is not used in any file associations.

I don’t normally use or recommend anything that’s not fully tested and vetted over years.  AI, for the public’s use at least, is brand new and full of issues.  These predictive engines don’t know truth from falsehoods, right from wrong, or even what they are spewing forth.  All they know is what usually follows what.  The blind leading the blind.  It does lots of things wrong, just at really impressive speeds!

I do not want AI helping me with anything.  So far I have not been impressed.  I’m pretty sure there’s a horrific train wreck coming; the only questions are where, when , and how bad.

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Personally, I could care less about AI, Bing, or Edge. I was all in with Edge early on but it’s become too filled with stuff I could care less about in a web browser. It is interesting that Bing search did not even get a bump in market share when adding AI. Google search still is far beyond total market share dominance.  No doubt Google is a bit behind the curve with Bard but if it catches up which I assume it will. That will mean Microsoft just wasted a lot of money on AI with no real gain in market share in Bing or Edge. Maybe AI is just another gimmick most don’t even care about.

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Maybe AI is just another gimmick most don’t even care about.

The problem is that just because it’s there, a lot of people will use it. And most will ignore the fact that Chat AI can’t distinguish truth from lies, and can’t really think or calculate reliably. This will increase the already depressing trend of people getting dumber and dumber in their use of the Internet and tech generally. If we in America think Jan. 6, 2021 was scary, we ain’t seen nothin’ yet.

-- rc primak

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If Bing AI is bypassing bing.com for search results, what implications does this have for companies that pay for Bing.com advertising and promotion, their version of Google Ads?

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I do use Edge on this computer and Chrome on another one. But I don’t use Bing unless I am looking for pictures. Bing is better than Google for downloading images. One day I noticed the new Bing icon on the toolbar. I dislike having new things pushed on me without asking. I dug around and finally discovered how to exorcise it.

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I use Edge for testing and for having another option when having issues with specific web pages or links.  I have set Edge up so everything (or so Micro$oft says) is deleted when I close it–browsing history, download history, cookies, cached files, passwords, autofill, site permissions, all data from the previous version, media foundation data–for “All time”.  I also turn off all the services (especially the “follow creators” BS), “diagnostic” data,  and everything that looks like it might be related to telemetry.

No doubt there’s a back door somewhere that allows M$ to eavesdrop, but I feel a little better using it this way.

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I’m not impressed by this whole pushing of AI: maybe I’m a little backwards when it comes to my use of search engines and the like, but I can’t care the less about this new Bing AI and predictive AI in general. If MS thought this was a game changer to get more people aboard the Bing/Edge boat they might have got real wrong. In fact, the way Bing AI is pushed so hard in Edge is just another reason for me to stay away from Edge. I’ve been wasted more than enough of my time just to get rid of Bing from Edge (even if I don’t use it) and from Windows search. Probably, the one thing I hate more than unrequested features aggressively pushed is unrequested features aggressively pushed that it’s hard to disable…

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Berserker79 wrote:
Probably, the one thing I hate more than unrequested features aggressively pushed is unrequested features aggressively pushed that it’s hard to disable…

Yeah, absolutely agree. I’m STILL WAITING for Edge user setting to PERMANENTLY turn off forced Win10 Desktop search bar BS.

User choices/preferences should be respected! If user chooses to turn off new “feature” they strongly dislike (“garbage”… “didn’t ask for it, don’t want it”… “? i turned it off – why does it keep turning itself back on?”), unwanted feature should NOT then reenable/relaunch itself after system reboots, software updates, etc.

Regular users (normals?) should NOT have to be walked through a registry edit to fully disable an aggressively-pushed new feature they loathe. C’mon Microsoft, you’re better than this (or you should be)!

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I think that this  thread is appropriate for my question.  How does one delete Edge from Windows 11 Pro 22H2?  I tried two solutions to no avail.  Is it possible?  Thanks.

Mark

 

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I understand that Edge is integrated quite deeply into Windows in that other MS apps rely on it, so I guess uninstalling entirely is not possible.

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Movie : The Creator (September 28 in cinemas)

“Amid a future war between the human race and the forces of artificial intelligence, Joshua (Washington), a hardened ex-special forces agent grieving the disappearance of his wife (Chan), is recruited to hunt down and kill the Creator, the elusive architect of advanced AI who has developed a mysterious weapon with the power to end the war — and mankind itself. Joshua and his team of elite operatives journey across enemy lines, into the dark heart of AI-occupied territory… only to discover the world-ending weapon he’s been instructed to destroy is an AI in the form of a young child.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=573GCxqkYEg

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NEVER GIVE ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE THE NUCLEAR CODES

The temptation to automate command and control will be great. The danger is greater.

No technology since the atomic bomb has inspired the apocalyptic imagination like artificial intelligence. Ever since ChatGPT began exhibiting glints of logical reasoning in November, the internet has been awash in doomsday scenarios. Many are self-consciously fanciful—they’re meant to jar us into envisioning how badly things could go wrong if an emerging intelligence comes to understand the world, and its own goals, even a little differently from how its human creators do. One scenario, however, requires less imagination, because the first steps toward it are arguably already being taken—the gradual integration of AI into the most destructive technologies we possess today…

The world’s major military powers have begun a race to wire AI into warfare. For the moment, that mostly means giving algorithms control over individual weapons or drone swarms. No one is inviting AI to formulate grand strategy, or join a meeting of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. But the same seductive logic that accelerated the nuclear arms race could, over a period of years, propel AI up the chain of command. How fast depends, in part, on how fast the technology advances, and it appears to be advancing quickly. How far depends on our foresight as humans, and on our ability to act with collective restraint…

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This is how AI took over in one of the SF space opera book series I keep up with:

The Quiet War: This is often how the AI takeover is described, and even using ‘war’ seems overly dramatic. It was more a slow usurpation of human political and military power, while humans were busy using that power against each other. It wasn’t even very stealthy. Analogies have been drawn with someone moving a gun out of the reach of a lunatic while that person is ranting and bellowing at someone else. And so it was AI’s, long used in the many corporate, national and religious conflicts, took over all communication networks and the computer control of weapons systems. [Most importantly, they already controlled the enclosed human environments scattered throughout the solar system. Also establishing themselves as corporate entities, they soon accrued vast wealth with which to employ human mercenary armies. National leaders in the solar system, ordering this launch or that attack, found their orders either just did not arrive or caused nil response. Those same people, ordering the destruction of the A13, found themselves weaponless, in environments utterly out of their control and up against superior forces and on the whole, public opinion. It had not taken the general population, for whom it was a long-established tradition to look upon their human leaders with contempt, very long to realize that the Al’s were better at running everything. And it is very difficult to motivate people to revolution when they are extremely comfortable and well off

(From ‘Brass Man’ by Neal Asher)

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Yeah, giving AI the nuclear codes sounds a bad idea: plenty of movies addressed the issue, but this one was among those at the top of my list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WarGames

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I use 3 different browsers regularly and Edge is one of them.  I don’t pay attention to all the eye candy and rarely use Bing for searches.

However, Edge has very poor spell checking functionality compared to my old Firefox ESR or Chrome.  It would be nice if Edge could pay more attention to this serious deficiency.

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ibe98765 wrote:

However, Edge has very poor spell checking functionality compared to my old Firefox ESR or Chrome.  It would be nice if Edge could pay more attention to this serious deficiency.

Do you only have Basic selected in Edge Settings, Language, Use writing assistance; instead of the recommended Microsoft Editor?

Microsoft Editor in Edge

Editor is built into Microsoft Edge with advanced writing assistance in a variety of languages. Editor in Microsoft Edge offers enhanced spellchecking, grammar checking, and text predictions to help you write confidently across the web.

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I had Basic.  This was the default and I haven’t wanted to aste hours of time going through all the possible settings on the browser.

I changed to Microsoft Editor and will see how that works out.

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I haven’t seen it mentioned here yet but the movie series “The Terminator”, and the TV spinoff “The Sarah Connor Chronicles” made me think of the dangers of AI years ago.

Being 20 something in the 70's was far more fun than being 70 something in the insane 20's

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The Creator

“Amid a future war between the human race and the forces of artificial intelligence, Joshua, a hardened ex-special forces agent grieving the disappearance of his wife, is recruited to hunt down and kill the Creator, the elusive architect of advanced AI who has developed a mysterious weapon with the power to end the war-and mankind itself”

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Harkens back to “Battlestar Galactica” (the Olmos version).

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And now currently (or soon coming) is “Mrs. Davis” on either SciFi or Peacock, or both.  This is about a future all powerful AI.

Being 20 something in the 70's was far more fun than being 70 something in the insane 20's

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It’s an indication of how aggressive Microsoft is being. Very pushy, if you will.

Sounds like a description of the old Microsoft.

Group "L" (Linux Mint)
with Windows 10 running in a remote session on my file server

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All of the scary talk in the posts above made me think of a possible scenario for how all this will turn out: AI-driven bots doing more and more for you (after all, that’s what people want, and so that’s what the bots learn), until they are doing literally everything for you. And you may too late find that you are trapped in a gilded cage.

Group "L" (Linux Mint)
with Windows 10 running in a remote session on my file server

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MrJimPhelps wrote:

…until they are doing literally everything for you. And you may too late find that you are trapped in a gilded cage.

Kinda makes things sound like The Matrix.

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Charlie wrote:

And now currently (or soon coming)

Mrs. Davis season has ended.

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Oh, sorry, but I just saw it advertised in Time magazine, and so assumed it was current.  They probably went through all four, 15 minute episodes already.

Being 20 something in the 70's was far more fun than being 70 something in the insane 20's

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ibe98765 wrote:

I had Basic.  This was the default and I haven’t wanted to aste hours of time going through all the possible settings on the browser.

I changed to Microsoft Editor and will see how that works out.

Changed back to Basic.  The MS spell checker wasn’t much better plus it annoyed me constantly with its grammar corrections, like a missing comma or such and there didn’t seem to be any control to tune the grammar options, as there is in MS Office.

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You can turn off grammar check without turning off enhanced spell check:

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I don’t see this in my Edge.

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Writing assistance languages is at the bottom of that screenshot. Click the down chevron next to the one you’re using.

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AI generating the Beatles :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTito40X26M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHXP1UZ7IOY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_7PJVAgLyI&t=23s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj2QXdnMtKQ&t=1s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT2dcKn2Smo

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