• After 10 years, dare I advance to 2013?

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    I still use Office 2003 because I’m scared of the ribbon! I have customized every toolbar and menu, written dozens of macros, made scores of keystroke redefines, added hundreds of auto-text entries, and who knows how many other little tweaks that I’ve moved between versions of Word since before Win95.

    My NORMAL.DOT file is 700+ KB.

    Does anyone know how much of this I’ll lose to that darn ribbon?

    I assume the toolbars are toast. Auto-text and auto-correct can be moved, can’t they?

    But what about my keystrokes? It’s been 20 years since I’ve removed my fingers from the home row! I don’t have a touchscreen, nor do I want to waste time repositioning my hands continually to use one!

    Has anyone made this transition? Tell me it’s possible. (I know it’s too much to ask that it would be easy! )

    Thanks for any help to a poor out-of-date but efficient Wordie.

    AL

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    • #1379044

      Office 2007 is in very wide use. Why not upgrade to that?

      Group "L" (Linux Mint)
      with Windows 10 running in a remote session on my file server
    • #1379114

      There is a massive number of users who have made the transition from Word 2003 up to the later versions so you won’t be treading new ground. Yes it can be done. If you are worried about it you should read the short book “Who moved my cheese” (or watch it on Youtube)

      Yes you will lose productivity initially. This productivity loss may never be made up by the (potential) productivity gains you experience once you are back up to speed. But on the up side – you will have learnt new skills and will be better able to adapt to future learning demands imposed by other software.

      You can convert your Normal.dot template to the newer Normal.dotm will bring across the macros, toolbars and autotexts. It may even bring over the keyboard shortcuts (I can’t remember). You will however want to move the toolbars to the newer ribbon interface since the old toolbar buttons all end up dumped into an Addins tab.

      Moving auto-corrects is going to be just as problematic as moving them between 2003 machines. I believe you will be able to find instructions online which describe how to do that.

    • #1379217

      Adjusting to interface changes is like driving a new car after 10 years. Most essential things operate much like what you are used to in your old vehicle, but the new stuff initially seems overwhelmingly distracting: the electric seat adjustment is slower than the old lever; the lens for the backup TV camera gets dirty so the rearview mirror just displays a blur; the GPS tries to guide you on ridiculous routes…

      But then the new things start to grow on you: you discover that a single button sets all of your preferred seat positions and the channel and volume of the radio; you learn that wiping off the camera lens when you get to your car in a parking lot makes it really useful for backing up in tricky situations; you find the settings for the GPS to prefer faster instead of shorter routes… And meanwhile, you easily and seamlessly adapt to the things you just expect in a car — road stability, responsiveness, good visibility, etc.

      After a while, getting back into an older model reveals how much you value the improvements. Ever try driving a car with foot-powered headlight dimmers that get clogged up with sand or salt? Or with a window washer button on the dash?

      Word’s ribbon interface certainly takes getting used to, and as Andrew said, your productivity will probably suffer at first. I was initially dismayed to lose some of my familiar custom toolbars, but soon found that the important functions could find new places. I skipped over Word 2007 because it seemed clunky, but I’d upgraded my computers by the time I started using Word 2010 and the response time for the context-sensitive ribbon switching was much smoother. Word 2013 is not significantly different, but the responsiveness seems better.

      My advice for transitioning would be to take Word 2013 on a “test drive”: open an old — and non-critical — document and see how it feels when you make changes to tables or reposition figures. Don’t try to learn on a new and time-sensitive document. Don’t be too hung up on the interface changes because all (well, almost all) of the old function is still there. Don’t rely on the often-useless Microsoft Help; use Google search and find forums (like this one) to learn about the differences.

      Before you know it the ribbon interface will seem normal — and although you may feel nostalgic about Word 2003, you probably won’t want to go back to it.

    • #1379386

      Thanks for all the good advice. I don’t mind learning the new interface, it was the loss of keystrokes and efficiency that bothered me. You’ve assured me that I don’t have to lose them. Now to find a few days without a deadline.

    • #1379437

      You might want to look at Woody’s column on Office 2013 before taking the plunge:
      http://windowssecrets.com/top-story/surviving-your-first-hour-with-office-2013/

      Jerry

    • #1379451

      Make up your own mind. :rolleyes:

      It was enough to dissuade me from considering an upgrade to Office 2013 but I have no use for the cloud. The screen shots I’ve seen are butt ugly.

      Jerry

      • #1379459

        Make up your own mind. :rolleyes:

        It was enough to dissuade me from considering an upgrade to Office 2013 but I have no use for the cloud. The screen shots I’ve seen are butt ugly.

        Jerry

        C’mon Jerry, you don’t need 3rd party opinions, you can very well make your own mind on your own :).

        I don’t think the article portrays Office 2013 in a fair manner. I can tell you I wouldn’t go back to Office 2010, even though there are some wrinkles in some apps. I would also offer that it’s not about the looks, but functionality. Other than the better integration with SkyDrive, there are no revolutionary changes, but there are small changes that are quite interesting and that one discovers from time to time. My favorite OneNote app has a few delicious improvements considering how I use it.

        Is it worthwhile to upgrade if you have no upgrade agreements or do not buy a new computer? Probably not, unless the cloud is relevant, but Office 2013 is a better Office than the previous version, no matter how acid some reviews may be. It’s always better for one to make one’s own mind. I started using 2013 when it RTMed and everybody in my office went along. No one would go back now.

    • #1379549

      Download the trial version and see for yourself. There are issues (all quite adequately documented elsewhere) about running multiple versions of Office on the same computer. If you have a “spare” computer or if you’ve ever used Virtual PC, VirtualBox or VMWare, you can keep 2003 on your main computer and run the trial on another PC, real or virtual.

      Personally, I found 2010 to be better than 2007, but did not feel 2013 was better than 2010 — though I’m interested in the “delicious” enhancements to OneNote that ruirib mentioned.

      Best, Kim

      • #1379553

        Download the trial version and see for yourself. There are issues (all quite adequately documented elsewhere) about running multiple versions of Office on the same computer. If you have a “spare” computer or if you’ve ever used Virtual PC, VirtualBox or VMWare, you can keep 2003 on your main computer and run the trial on another PC, real or virtual.

        Personally, I found 2010 to be better than 2007, but did not feel 2013 was better than 2010 — though I’m interested in the “delicious” enhancements to OneNote that ruirib mentioned.

        Best, Kim

        I use OneNote as a central “repository” of info on projects, and that means I can have docs of multiple types linked (Excel, Visio). I use Visio frequently. OneNote now allows you to insert a Visio diagram and have the diagram displayed in OneNote. The good thing is that you can edit the original document starting from OneNote and the diagram will be automatically updated when updated in the original document. You can also force a document refresh. This is much more interesting that what happened before, that you needed to open the attached document to see document contents.

        This is probably the one feature I like the most in OneNote 2013.

    • #1379557

      Very cool. Thanks! I love OneNote and will take a look at that.

      K

    • #1379558

      There is also a new “full screen” mode, that is quite handy when working in my laptop, with the pen. There is a small icon that you click and all the OneNote interface” goes” away. All you have is writing space :).

      I have said it before, there are no revolutionary new Office features, but there are a few incremental features that are very nice. Whether that is a reason to upgrade or not, well that’s for each user to decide. I think some “angry” Office reviews I have read are thoroughly without justification.

      • #1379584

        I think some “angry” Office reviews I have read are thoroughly without justification.

        I’m not so much angry as irked. I feel some of the UI choices to be a bit backward. But if one doesn’t have 2010 (or even 2007) already, there’s nothing wrong with jumping to 2013.

        I find the licensing to be much more irksome than the program. The original install-on-a-single-computer-and-if-it-dies-you’re-out-of-luck license was a non-starter. I’m not a cloud person (at least right now) and was going to ride it out until MSFT changed their policy. Turns out it hasn’t taken that long, but I still have a desktop and a laptop and it irks me to pay another $400 to run 2013 Pro on both. I didn’t pay anything near $400 for 2010 and it’s licensed for 1 User/2 PCs, which is what I’m waiting for. As a precaution, I’m not holding my breath.:D

    • #1379588

      I agree, the licensing was not the smartest move. There should be options for people who have no use for 5 licenses. I think another subscription level around $50 / year for two licenses would go a long way to make it reasonable. Like this $100 / year for 5 licenses is way too much if you have one or two computers where you want to run Office.
      I understand they want to push people to the subscription model, but alienating your user base is never a good way to go about it.

      • #1380374

        Unless there are features of 2013 you really need, think about why you’d upgrade at all. I’ve been on it for a few months and thus far haven’t seen anything that made the transition worth it. On the contrary, all I’ve experienced so far are a boatload of annoyingly arbitrary changes (e.g., “Contacts” is now “People”) and function relocations.

      • #1380437

        I just added a new PC to my home office and chose to buy a copy of MS Office Pro 2010 instead of 2013. I don’t like the new pricing structure (only one PC and if it dies you’re SOL; or, pay to play if you want to keep using it). I am one of those who has been happily using Pro 2003 since the beginning of time. We are a multi-computer family – using our PCs until they literally die — just keep using them as storage/backup or for guests or grandkids. I have MS Pro 2007 on a relatively new laptop so was acquainted with the ribbon although I don’t think it’s a “miracle” tool. Long story short, I’d recommend looking for a copy of Pro 2010. It will be an improvement over 2003 in a number of ways (Outlook particularly), you’ll avoid the buy/subscribe decision, and after an initial few days of agony, you’ll be whizzing along with new skills. 🙂

        • #1380640

          I just added a new PC to my home office and chose to buy a copy of MS Office Pro 2010 instead of 2013. I don’t like the new pricing structure (only one PC and if it dies you’re SOL; or, pay to play if you want to keep using it). I am one of those who has been happily using Pro 2003 since the beginning of time. We are a multi-computer family – using our PCs until they literally die — just keep using them as storage/backup or for guests or grandkids. I have MS Pro 2007 on a relatively new laptop so was acquainted with the ribbon although I don’t think it’s a “miracle” tool. Long story short, I’d recommend looking for a copy of Pro 2010. It will be an improvement over 2003 in a number of ways (Outlook particularly), you’ll avoid the buy/subscribe decision, and after an initial few days of agony, you’ll be whizzing along with new skills. 🙂

          The Office 2013 licensing has been changed to allow you move Office to a different machine every 90 days. I’m quite sure that if there was a disaster and you needed to install it again before 90 days you could contact Microsoft for a different key. The other restrictions on the retail version remain. All along the one install per key was the same as the key card licensing of Office 2010 only the retail Office 2010 DVDs had different terms.

          Joe

          --Joe

          • #1380643

            The Office 2013 licensing has been changed to allow you move Office to a different machine every 90 days. I’m quite sure that if there was a disaster and you needed to install it again before 90 days you could contact Microsoft for a different key. The other restrictions on the retail version remain. All along the one install per key was the same as the key card licensing of Office 2010 only the retail Office 2010 DVDs had different terms.

            Joe

            Office 2010 Home and Student has a 3 PC license, Home and Business has a 2 PC license. You can pick up Home and student from Walmart for $125.
            http://www.walmart.com/ip/Microsoft-Office-Home-and-Student-2010-Traditional-Disc/14272900#Specifications

            33409-office

            Jerry

    • #1379650

      IMO, $100 USD/year is not too much for two computers.

      First, the retail Office 2013 Pro costs $400 USD. As with 2010 there is no upgrade pricing. If you change Office versions every three years that is a $500 USD savings.
      Second, no one forces you to use SKyDrive to store anything. You can still store everything locally if you wish. You can just dabble in the cloud until you are comfortable with it.
      Third, you can add/change the license to any new device you acquire along the way. If you hit the limit of five you can easily decomission one and enroll another.
      Fourth, you get Office-on-demand. An easy way to get a temporary install of whatever the latest bits are on a machine that does not have them should the need arise.
      Fifth, Microsoft has said they intend to iterate the Office 365 SKUs much more frequently than the traditional version. I’ve yet to see that the tradtional retail version is expected to be updated at the same time. Of course, the proof is in the updates.
      LAST, FWIW you get 60 Skype minutes per month.

      Joe

      --Joe

    • #1379662

      IMO, $100 USD/year is not too much for two computers.

      Most households only need one copy though and $100 a year is way too much. Even with two computers, you will have invested $400 in four years or $200 per computer and still don’t own a copy of the software. May make sense for a business but for home use IMO.

      Jerry

      • #1379710

        Most households only need one copy though and $100 a year is way too much. Even with two computers, you will have invested $400 in four years or $200 per computer and still don’t own a copy of the software. May make sense for a business but for home use IMO.

        Jerry

        The $400 dollars after four years is till half of the two PCs that Kim mentioned. If there is only one PC is the household the determining factors may be how often you choose to upgrade Office and which SKU you use. $100 may be more than you what you think is reasonable but others may think differently. There is still much to learn about how Microsoft is going to update/upgrade Office 365 Home Premium compared to the retail suite.

        You have never owned the software. All you own is a license to use the software and have a physical copy of the install media because that was the only reliable way to deliver the software.

        Joe

        --Joe

    • #1379712

      Joe makes good points.

      But what if I don’t want to upgrade every three years? Not everyone does. I have several clients still happily using Word 2003. I don’t think remaining at a previous version is an option with a subscription. And at this point, I have to assume that if you stop paying, you won’t just not receive upgrades, you’ll stop being able to use the software.

      I don’t feel MSFT has this cloud thing down yet. I acquired an Outlook.com account that they’ve already “lost” — I can’t log in because they can’t upgrade my Hotmail account at this time — which was already upgraded when I got the Outlook.com account.

      I don’t think MSFT has quite managed either to put their ducks in a row or to keep them there. I’ll wait a while before investing in a subscription.

      Kim

    • #1379743

      Also, if you don’t need Outlook, you can get Home and Student for $139 without the annual $100 toll. Pays for itself in less than 3 years.

      You have never owned the software. All you own is a license to use the software and have a physical copy of the install media because that was the only reliable way to deliver the software.

      I realize that’s what the license says but in reality you effectively own it because you can continue to use it for as long as you want under the terms of the license. I believe most people think of it as owning the product.

      $100 may be more than you what you think is reasonable but others may think differently

      I agree which is why I said “IMO (In My Opinion)” I still believe most home users would agree with me. Like Kim, I have clients that are still using Office XP and it does everything they need. People like you and Rui can much more easily justify a subscription.

      Jerry

    • #1380677

      Why in the world would you want to go from Office 2003 to 2013? Does Office 2003 no longer work? Is there something you want it to do that it won’t? You will be miserable for several weeks to months until you learn the new interface.

    • #1380679

      If you must move to Office 2007, 2010 or 2013, immediately download and install UBitMenu. It is free for personal use. It adds the classic menu to the ribbon. I could not get along without it. (At work we all had to upgrade to a newer version of Office.) Here is the URL; http://www.ubit.ch/software/ubitmenu-languages/

    • #1380693

      I must be a Luddite, and if they only knew about me, Microsoft would hate me. I’m still using MS Office 2002 (XP) together with the free Libre Office and Open Office. There’s nothing I need to do in any of the Office applications that I can’t do in those. Why pay MS when it’s all free or paid for long ago? What am I missing? The “smell” of new software? The feel of the cutesy Ribbons? Menus always did, and still do, work fine. :rolleyes:

      Frank D

    • #1380961

      Would you all believe I still use WORD 97 and WORKS 4.5 a (with the year 2000 upgrade)?

      Why change? They both work great and provide plenty of word processing and spreadsheet power. I’ve been able to install this in every version of Windows that I have used. I am currently on W7.i am not sure if it will work on W8,but frankly I am quite content with W7,

      Why do I need the latest and greatest?

      I swear that marketing types get paid to convince us of great needs that we don’t know we have.

      Oh, I’m writing this on my iPad 2 with IOS 5.x

      Okay, folks, fire away!

      Mel

    • #1381689

      One thing you might want to be aware of: if you use any Adobe Type 1 fonts, these will not be rendered readably on screen in Word 2013 as Word’s new rendering engine cannot cope with them (God and Bill Gates know why). They will still print correctly and they work fine in other Window programs including Publisher. Just not in Word. That has been enough to drive me back to Word 2010, as I have used Adobe Fonts over the years for special purposes and can’t afford to re-purchase the OpenType equivalents (Adobe converted its entire font library to OpenType but doesn’t seem to offer existing, licensed users any upgrade path).

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