A real turkey of a Thanksgiving weekend: Disappearing patches KB 4049016 and 9999786, new patches 4055038, 405524, and how it’s all tied up in knots

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Wotta weekend. Aren’t you glad you haven’t tried to install any patches this month? A quick summary of the weekend’s shenanigans coming up in Computer
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“Aren’t you glad you haven’t tried to install any patches this month?”

Thank you for today’s Trick Question, Boss!

(Hope you & yours had a fabulous T-giving!)

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“But remember – WaaS is a great idea and everyone should put all their eggs in our basket because we rarely have patch issues and we rapidly fix the ones we do!”

It’s just comical how far they’ve fallen. But I guess shares are up, so Nadella is doing a good job! /s

I think I’m gonna end up reverting back to 7 on the boxes I’ve updated to 1703. I just don’t want to deal with this ridiculousness anymore.

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It does not seem that I really got logged in just now. If so, would that be because of the “bobbing up and down” the site is going through today? OscarCP.

In reply to zero2dash comment: yes, I am keeping my Win 7 Pro x64 until MS do us part, which is in January of 2020, just over two years from today, if memory serves. As to changing a bunch of PCs from Win 10 to Win 7, maybe someone other than zero2dash, who probably has already done so, needs to keep that deadline seriously in mind.

Which brings up my main reason for writing this posting: what is the Plan B for keeping one’s dear PC running Win 7, with all the equally dear application software one has lovingly installed on it over the years, and still working and still very much needed, after the MS-decreed Win 7 sunset date?

 

I’ll appreciate any suggestions on this particular.

Thank you, and hope AskWoody is soon back to normal. And to everyone out there: happy and safe patching, whenever you get to it.

OscarCP

 

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Much of the site is back to normal, and we have several critical WordPress updates installed. A couple of add-ons are still driving us crazy, though, and I haven’t been able to put the most-wanted links back on the right side.

This, too, shall pass.

All in all, the site feels snappier and more stable. Fingers duly crossed.

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Woody you say your site is pretty much back to normal but I am having some issues. The first issue is that I (KarenS, a member here) logged in and it told me that I was logged in but doesn’t show that I am logged in. Other issues are that I don’t see the most recent articles on the main page. This article for example doesn’t show for me….the first article I see is from November 24th (Microsoft yanks buggy November rollup KD1049016 for .NET Framework on Win7 and Server 2008 R2). When I click on the “comment on the AskWoody lounge” button I only get the first post of that article showing and no other comments. Then when I click on the most recent post at the top the page reloads and more recent comments show up. Am I the only one to experience these issues? Are these issues ones that are still being worked on?

Update: Once I posted the 3 newest articles (one from Nov. 26th and two from Nov. 27th) show up. I don’t always log on if I am just reading so will I have to log in now to see the new articles posted?

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I’m having problems logging in, too. When we get the rest of the security updates implemented, that’ll be my first target.

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@Woody:

I don’t recall which of our members provided this information, but it WORKS for me!!   He/She stated that if you hit the F5 key, after it logs you out, it will get you “back in” again, and it’s never failed yet for me.

It’s “different”, however it works.   What I do is I log in, as usual.  That shows me as “logged in”.  Then I click on the “Lounge Forums”.  That’s when it CHANGES to “Log in”, telling me that I’ve been “logged out”.   I hit the F5 key, and “I’M BACK IN”!  Showing the “Log out” which we see when we’re logged in.   I will try to go back and see if I can recall which of us came up with this idea because it certainly has been working wonderfully for me.

AND today for the “first time” in (seems like eons) when I logged in, I STAYED logged in.

We have a lot of “talent out there”.  Thank you, Woody, and all of the other very knowledgeable, amazing, and wonderful experts who have helped us so much!      

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Back to normal? The site seems pretty much exactly the same as it’s been for months functionally. The pages still take maybe 10-15 seconds to fully load though most of it loads in a second or so. Log in banner still missing from upper right as well as general log in problems and as far as I can tell, the site never went down at all. The loading speed is definitely better, but other than that, it’s the same.

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I still greatly miss the list of the latest topics and replies, and the Search box, among others.

And, yes, the login sequence is horrible.

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I greatly miss those things as well. I assume, then, that the site didn’t need to go down at all really? That’s good, but did all those attacks this site sustained mess up all this other stuff or are these issues unrelated to that?

At any rate, some progress is better than none. I look forward to seeing everything back to where it’s supposed to be.

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Woody,

For what it’s worth, subscribed updates are still not appearing at my Outlook.com address. As you’re still working on the site, should we users of that email continue to hold on, or is it time to pull that plug, and use another provider (such as Gmail)? (I, for one, am patient.)

Tnx.!

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I think Notifications is one of the features left to be installed. Hold on a little longer.

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OscarCP wrote:

what is the Plan B for keeping one’s dear PC running Win 7, with all the equally dear application software one has lovingly installed on it over the years, and still working and still very much needed, after the MS-decreed Win 7 sunset date?

Nothing simplier than installing Windows 8.1.

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And installing Classic Shell.

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That’s up to personal taste – but probably the best option for W7 die-hards.

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@PKCano:  What is “Classic Shell”.    “Free and Good”??? There are so many tools for us to use if we only had the knowledge and ability to put them to work for us.  Thank you for all of the information you provide for all of us – – – – you are on top of everything and it is appreciated very, very much!      

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Classic Shell is free software that makes Win8.1 and Win10  look like Win7 – so you don’t have to look at (or use) the UGLY flat mono-color worthless UWP tile Apps.

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@PKCano:    Thank you for the information – – – if it’s “harmless”, perhaps it is something that we can utilize.

I “know nothing” about it (as usual), however I always like to “learn more”.  I appreciate you taking the time to reply, and also appreciate all of the other invaluable information you keep on top of and disseminate to all of the other members.    Thank you once again!      

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Classic Shell is important, but you will also need something to get rid of the Explorer ribbon if making it look like Windows 7 is the goal.  I use New Old Explorer to do that, get rid of the library folders from the content pane of Explorer, and to restore the classic drive groupings.

There are a bunch of other things I did in addition to those, but by far, Classic Shell, NOE, and a non-flat custom Windows theme do most of the heavy lifting.  After that, it’s like swatting flies… if you see something that annoys you about 8.1, there is a good chance there’s a way to fix it.  I don’t want to list all the changes I have made to 8.1 here and overwhelm anyone considering migrating to 8.1; it’s really a one-step-at-a-time evolution.

I’m a purist when it comes to Windows, and I don’t want any flat ugliness on my PC, and I certainly don’t have any time for “apps.”  Windows 2000 (or Windows XP in Classic configuration) remains the gold standard for UI design and layout for me, and while I can’t duplicate that as exactly as I would like, I have 8.1 to a point where even an unreasonable dinosaur like me likes it. Though, I note with irony, I am typing this from Linux Mint right now…

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Or maybe if 7 remains very popular, MS will be forced to issue security updates for a little longer, like they did with XP?

I think they would look very bad if a critical vulnerability wasn’t patched on many still online OSes and it created a big mess in the world when a malware would exploit it.

If they play though, they might just have more people defecting to Mac.

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…and back in the REAL world, MS are more likely to advise W7 users to downgrade to W10 should that happen. ‘You have had plenty of time to do so with a Free option to move to W10’

Nice thought tho AlexEiffel

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AlexEiffel wrote:

Or maybe if 7 remains very popular, MS will be forced to issue security updates for a little longer, like they did with XP?

Like we keep hearing, “this is a new Microsoft.”  While supporting XP for two more years (even though MS desperately wanted it to fade away) was something the “bad” old Microsoft had no chance but accept, I’d wager that there’s virtually no chance that is going to happen with this new, supposedly kinder and gentler Microsoft.  I keep hearing about how much nicer they are now, but they’ve never attacked Windows users more aggressively or persistently than they are doing on nearly a daily basis now.

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“Updates 4049016, 4049017, 4049018, and 4049019 are back in the catalog, and they don’t need to be reinstalled according to […]”

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Win 7 preview rollup kb4051034
Win 8.1 preview rollup kb4050946
Win 10 1607 cumulative kb4051033

DST and time zone update kb4049068

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The KB article for KB4049068 is not up yet. The download is available in the catalog.

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Just in case: this is OscarCP answering to radosuaf and PKCano about their advice on how to keep using Win 7 (or something like it) after January 2020:

Thank you both.

About the “Classic Shell” application that makes the Win 8.1 GUI look and feel like the “Classic” Win 7 GUI: a couple of years back I had to move from the “Classic” to the “Aero” or “Glass” look, because with “Classic”, video images were being torn up into disjointed strips (“screen tear” was the term of art, if I remember correctly.)

Is the “Classic” GUI provided by “Classic Shell” free from this very unfortunate problem?

Thanks.  OscarCP

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Classic Shell is NOT the Win XP “Classic” look. It looks like Win7.

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OscarCP here, again:

Thanks, PKCano, but I was referring to the Win 7 “Classic” GUI: that was the one that could not handle videos properly, causing screen tear (there was a known reason for this in the way rendering software runs with Win 7 “Classic”, but I forget what it was; it was, as I mentioned, some years ago).

In any case: I switched to “Aero” and remain with it to this day, still showing the videos beautifully, but am not a fan, because it its very fussy and also has a mind of its own, so sometimes goes off and does unexpected, and generally unwelcome, things all by itself.

Also two questions on the idea of moving from Win 7 to Win 8.1 when Win 7 finally turns into a pumpkin:

(1) Is it still possible with Win 8.1 to choose which patches to install and which to hide, same as in Win 7?

(2) I vaguely remember that MS had “fixed” the “problem” of people installing Linux in dual boot with Windows, by pushing through some update changes to the BIOS (I think) that made dual-boot impossible. Is this still true, and if so, does it affect also Win 8.1?

Thanks, again.
OscarCP

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OscarCP wrote:

Thanks, PKCano, but I was referring to the Win 7 “Classic” GUI: that was the one that could not handle videos properly, causing screen tear

The Win7 “Classic” desktop looked like the Win XP desktop (for those who didn’t want to leave XP). Classic Shell looks lile the Win7 standard desktop (Aero).

Win8.1 updates are like Win7 – Rollup of security-only + IE11. There are no individual updates anywhere anymore.

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OscarCP wrote:

I vaguely remember that MS had “fixed” the “problem” of people installing Linux in dual boot with Windows, by pushing through some update changes to the BIOS (I think) that made dual-boot impossible. Is this still true, and if so, does it affect also Win 8.1? Thanks, again. OscarCP

I have my BIOS set to UEFI and it dual-booted Win 8.1 + Ubuntu 17.04 without any problems (Win on SSD + Ubuntu on HDD). But to be safe you should install Windows first and Linux second.

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OscarCP here again.

Thanks, once more, PKCano and radosuaf, for clearing up those issues about what to do when Win 7 approaches end of life that I asked about.

I just looked up what might be involved in geting Win 8.1, now that it is in the “Extended” service period (getting updates, but no free service calls or new features installed, same as for Win 7).

A MS person answered someone a question about that in an MS-sponsored forum, which I copy below, as it might be of some interest to to others who want to follow PKCano’s advice.

(Please, notice that the page the link to is given in the answer is no longer there.)

By the way, I’ve noticed that, although I seemed to be logged in, I cannot “Thank” other people because the tabs for doing that are all missing. Also: does a “clean install” (see below) means here “save your stuff to an external disk, wipe up, by reformatting it, the PC hard disk, then install Win 8.1 from its DVD and, finally, bring back your stuff from the external disk to the PC hard disk?

Now here is that MS posting:

” Hi,

You have to buy a physical DVD.

If your PC has a 64-bit capable processor (CPU) but is currently running a 32-bit version ofWindows, you can install a 64-bit version of Windows 8.1, but you’ll need to buy it as a DVD and perform a clean installation.

Refer to the “Can I update from a 32-bit version of Windows to a 64-bit version of Windows 8.1?” and “How do I buy a physical DVD?” from the following link.

Update to Windows 8.1: FAQ.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/upgrade-to-windows-8

Hope this information is helpful. Please do let us know if you need further assistance, we’ll be glad to assist you.”

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A clean install wipes out everything. It is:
Copy your data to an external source.
Reinstall a fresh copy of the OS.
Reinstall all the programs.
Copy your data to the new installation.

If you purchase Win8/8.1, be sure to get the Pro version.

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OscarCP wrote:

Also: does a “clean install” (see below) means here “save your stuff to an external disk, wipe up, by reformatting it, the PC hard disk, then install Win 8.1 from its DVD and, finally, bring back your stuff from the external disk to the PC hard disk?

From another thread in MS forum: “You can just go directly from 7 ► 8.1.  Just put in your Windows 8.1 CD or run the installer, and choose to “keep everything” when it asks.”.

(I would strongly suggest a clean install anyway)

Of course, you don’t have to use a DVD – just get the key and use Media Creation Tool to create a bootable pendrive. I bought my Win 8 Pro BOX this year and haven’t even touched the DVDs :).

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IT admin here, got 75 Win10 1703 systems and a handful of 1709 in the field. Boringly humming along attached to all sorts of printers/peripherals. You guys gotta learn how to patch, it ain’t difficult.

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I still can’t find the Epson printer ‘fix’ update on our SCCM SUP. Has it been released to WSUS? Or only available from the catalog?

 

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Which version of Windows?

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