• 256 SD Ram Win 98SE

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    Hi folks, hope you all had a great start to the New Year. I had another attempt at installing the additional SD Ram onto my older machine. Had the following error readings “An exception OD has occurred at 0028.C14C0102 in VxD —. This was called from 0028:C0003A7F in VxD —.” and “A fatal exception OE has occurred at 0157:00001C82, the current application will be terminated”. I don’t have a clue what either of these messages mean, can anyone enlighten me?

    After inserting 1 of the 256 SD Ram, the DOS screen read it had 262 MB Ram and the “upgrade successful”, then it goes into Safe Mode where it suggests I check the control panel settings, I checked the System Properties (not that I know what Im looking for) and it does show the memory to be 256 MB and System Resources at 81% free. This is actually the most encouraging attempt I have had so far. I have 2 X 256 SD Ram, but have only inserted 1 at this point. Do you think I should try inserting the 2nd one as well or will it make little difference to speed on an older machine? help

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    • #642048

      Win 98 can have trouble managing memory over 256MB. Are planning to run something that will require that much RAM? If not, there may be little to be gained.

      VxD is a virtual driver – is the — what was displayed? Otherwise the rest should give some indication of what deveice driver is causing the problem. Are you sure theatthe memory you bought is compatible with the system?

      There are utilities that can manage physical memory better than 98. I have one called FreeMem Pro, but I can’t attest to it’s value. With 256MB, it did stop me running out of memory on a couple of occasions. It may be just the thing for you. The file is 531kB, so a little large to email, but I could send it to you . Otherwise try http://downloads-zdnet.com.com/2001-20-0.html [/url] , where you should find a selection of similar software.

      • #642059

        hello Hi Patrick, thanks for the swift reply. You are right, I have been playing around the last couple of hours trying to get the other 256 SD Ram to work, and it refuses. However, I’m happy to say the error readings (yes the — was displayed, appreciate you telling me it has something to do with a “virtual driver”) quoted in my post have stopped since I removed the previous memory stick, originally I only had 2 x 32. Had no idea that leaving 1 of these in would stuff up booting and send me to safe mode. Now I know, I won’t make that error again. smile

        I’m happy to have the 256 take, and hope to see improvement having upgraded from 64. Now I understand the other 256 will not work on this machine, I’ll give up trying. Yes I was told by the tech’s at the store 256 x 2 should be fine for this computer, but I am not concerned to have 1 left over, it will no doubt come in handy somewhere. Thank you for the help and have a great weekend.

        • #642081

          One other thing to consider is that some motherboards require sticks of RAM in pairs.

          If you want 256 MB then you need a pair of 128s

          If you want 128 MB you need to use a pair of 64s……

          So try and put both 256 stick in and see if that makes a difference.

          • #642084

            helloOntario (beautiful place). Believe it or not the “pairs” of ram had occurred to me which is why I purchased 2 x 256’s (I’m an optimist). But I did not know that this machine could only handle 1 x 256, guess I am lucky that 1 works at all, rather than having to buy 2 x 128. I did indeed insert both sticks once I had 1 working I was hopeful the other would take, but alas no luck there. Appreciate your thoughts though, I am learning as I go along. thankyou kindly for the reply.

        • #642123

          Windows 98 may have problems managing more than 256MB, but it should still be possible to add it.

          If it won’t even show up at POST (Power-On Self-Test), that suggests two things to me: either you need a BIOS upgrade t oenable the board to manage more memory (not necessarily possible); or the second stick is faulty.

          If you need a BIOs upgrade, on the whole I would suggest not to bother, unless you have any other new technology to add, or want to upgrade the O/S. You don’t stand to see much or any performance gain; and the extra memory may even make the system unstable.

          I have had brand-new memory sticks turn out to be faulty before now. You can test them by swapping them in the machine, unless you have another system to put the second stick in. I’d recommend testing them now, as there will be less chance of arguments from the supplier if they arer returned immediately.

          • #642276

            hello Hi Patrick, yes I agree, I will not upgrade the Bios tempting instability, but I find it useful to know a Bios can be upgraded and what POST means. Assuming that is what I see when I boot, yes? smile It’s a handy tip to consider the 2nd stick could be faulty, though I now understand it will not function on this machine, it’s worth checking before I hand it onto someone else to use. Appreciate the help, thank you very much.

            • #642670

              Another thing to point out, the following is from an article I wrote a while back.
              “…If you have over 64 MB of RAM and use Windows 98 (This applies to this version ONLY according to a well hidden Micro$oft Knowledgebase article Q223294). Anyway back to the lesson, as you have probably already read I suggest setting your own virtual memory (VM), well if you do or do not, Win98SE uses up to 64MB or RAM, then the virtual memory, then the remaining memory. Yes, First the fast RAM is used, then slow VM, then back to the fast RAM. The article tries to scare you with

            • #642876

              I looked at that article. Your version is much clearer!

            • #643355

              hello Hi Kent, I went into the Sys ini, found [386Enh] without problem, but there is nothing in the list that seems to relate to ConservativeSwapFileUsage=1. shrug There are 12 items listed when I expand the 386Enh, but can’t see anything that indicates swap file usage? I appreciate you trying to help, the computer seems to be working much faster, so I assumed it was indeed happily using all of the 256 MB. Interesting to look into these things though, I had no idea about the article you refer to. Appreciate you taking the time to respond. Thankyou.

            • #643456

              You probably won’t see ConservativeSwapFileUsage=1 in the SYSTEM.INI file by default, but add it – it does make a big difference. A reboot is required for it to take effect.

              I’ve been debating whether to post this link or not and finally decided to say the hell with it and post it anyway. I put some pages out on my personal site for my benefit when working remotely on a Win98 system. These pages detail some of the settings in the SYSTEM.INI file and other speed/efficiency tweaks for Windows 98….although I shudder at the way the navigation and page layout looks right now, you may find some interesting things there, so I’m posting the link.

              • Optimizing the Windows 9x SYSTEM.INI File[/list]One question that always comes up is “why doesn’t Microsoft do this for you?” Windows comes out of the box ready for a marketing demo, not for heavy use. And it’s also intended to use the safest settings possible so that it doesn’t break (shattered Windows?) everywhere, not a bad idea really. Keep that in mind if you implement any of those tweaks!
            • #643866

              Thanks again Mark, I have bookmarked your site and will certainly have a read, DNA Buffers, Chunk size, Local Load and other topics on that page are all new to me, but I am game to try and understand then (hopefully) apply the information. Will let you know how I get along (oh no he cries). smile

      • #642159

        Actually, the problem number is 512. Check out Q253912: “Out of Memory” Error Messages with Large Amounts of RAM Installed. Even better is that there is a workaround for the problem. Doesn’t do anything for Cyberdance, of course – that appears to be a limitation of the motherboard that’s causing her woes – but it’s something to tuck away.

    • #642167

      This may be late in the game, but the errors you are seeing are typically the result of improper access of memory – usually software. If the errors started popping up after you installed the new RAM, that’s almost certainly the cause. Older motherboards can be quite picky about memory and parity errors, and the WinNT/2000/XP platform is also less than forgiving (that’s a good thing btw).

      • #642275

        Hi Mark, thanks for the info, believe me its NEVER too late in the game for me, I learn heaps from these experiences and take it all in. This Ram exercise has been interesting for me, (though completely and moronically simple to you folks). If it were not for the help provided in this fabulous place, I’d not have ventured further than my first failed attempt to install it. For this girl, opening the computer & finding the slots between the cables, was scary! Im happy to play around with software, but hardware sure makes me uneasy. Now I have succeeded in this seemingly simple task in your eyes, I do not feel so intimidated by it. Because of the help here, I completely understand the reason my original effort failed, why the 2nd stick will not take, and what caused the error readings. This is very cool! Mark , Patrick and Brian thank you for your patience, help and guidance. What wonderful people you are. thankyou

        • #642884

          A quick (but maybe late) point here: have we established that your memory is good in the first place? Easy to do: replace the good 256 stick with the OTHER one. If everything works just the same, then you have 2 good sticks and indeed a motherboard/bios issue with addressing more than 256 (or really, 512). However if the second stick doesn’t work, then you’ve got a bad memory stick (not entirely uncommon), and perhaps that’s your problem, fwiw. One more thing, it’s usual for the first stick to establish the size of subsequent sticks, so when you had the 32mb in first it messed up “seeing” the 256. However you should be ok to stick in a 32mb stick in after the 256. While this won’t add much, more is always better, isn’t it? I’m not sure from your posts how many slots you have, and you could add both 32mb sticks if you have 3 or more slots. This of course assumes that your memory max is something over 256 (but less than 512). Whew.

          sorry to muck things up (and cause you to open your box, again!!!).
          Congrats on the upgrade, and good luck

          kip

          • #643356

            Hi there, I am learning so much about memory, it’s amazing how many variables there are. Yes both memory sticks are fine, I did swap them to see, and with only one or the other in it’s slot the computer is quite happy. Having experienced problems when I did have the 256 in 1 slot and left the original 32 in the other, it never occurred to me to try and put the 32 stick back again. Interesting to learn that the order in which they are inserted matters! (Told ya I am new at this). Wow what an education I am having from this experience. Don’t worry about me opening up the tower (do you call them towers or boxes), coz I have left it open up on the desk while I’ve been working with the memory, figured I would close it all up again once I had it as good as I can get it.

            Thank you to all who have helped me so much with this upgrade, the encouragement from you people is fantastic, I would never have got anywhere without your help. clapping

            • #643778

              A word of caution. Leaving the case open (in some cases, even just an open PCI slot at the back) can, surprisingly, cause problems with overheating of components. Some systems may rely on a specific airflow, which is disrupted with the cover off. If all the major heat-producing components have their own fans, you should be fine; but some components may rely on passive cooling, ie radiation and convection. They will still be radiating heat, but without a flow of air, convection is seriously limited.

              Also don’t forget that those innards don’t like static electricity – or coffee! The case will provide protection from both. Just in case no-one has mentioned it before, it is important to make sure that you are grounded before delving into the inner workings, to drain away any static charge you may have been building up.

              ‘Case’ is the usual term. Tower (including midi-, mini-, etc.) is the upright version, desktop the horizontal one that sits on your desk, logically enough. At the end of the day, it’s just a box to hold the components in place, so call it what you want!

            • #643870

              Hi Patrick – Okay, case closed. All screwed back together, I did keep the tower up on the desk while open as I figured it was safer relating to static electricity, but had no idea leaving the lid off could cause problems with air flow. Learning, learning, learning. Just as well it declined my offer of coffee! nope I may be slow at this stuff, but I only need to be told once and it sticks. This is turning into something I am finding so interesting, wish I could quit my job for a while and take time to devote more hours to it. It is believed that animals take after their owners, I wonder if computers take after their users? smile

            • #643872

              [indent]


              I wonder if computers take after their users


              [/indent]Well, mine seems to….it never sleeps, occasionally has an attitude, and does unexpected things. grin

              Quit your job! Quit your job! hmmn Keep filing all these little tidbits away and you just might end up doing that and getting a job where you can tinker with these confounded contraptions all day long… (ahem) innocent

            • #643877

              laugh Well I turn mine on and off as I use it, and talk to it every time I’m playing around with something new. Sure feels as if it has a mind of its own! As long as it does’nt shut “the pod bay doors” on me, I reckon we will continue to have a great relationship.

              Main problem with this stuff is I want to KNOW it all right now, thank you very much. I am either interested in something or not, if I am then I tend to study, research and learn everything I can – with technology the journey is never ending, which makes it so interesting to me. Can’t complain, I do love the industry I am already in, but I am also love gadgets and gizmos, need more hours in the day to play with technology rather than continue to use it as a tool for work. Wish my head was not always asking questions, I need an “off” button installed. crazy

            • #644006

              I hope it’s easier to get one of those jobs in the US than it is here. Everyone is insisting on min. 12 months, usualLy 2-3 years commercial experience as a minimum, even for the the most junior roles. brickwall

            • #644252

              Sparky/Wylly

              Just to go OT again, back a couple of posts…

              I have recently heard it said that it’s not a good idea to leave the cover off a base unit because of the possibility of harmful electromagnetic radiation. Any truth in this as far as you know?? I know we’re probably not talking about much, certainly nothing like the liver-warming effect of running a microwave with the door open, but is there cause for concern there? Especially as my main machine has been without it’s side panel for so long, I’ve forgotten where it is.

            • #644254

              I’m not inclined to believe it. In fact, I’d actually be inclined to say it’s a bunch of hooey. All electonic devices emit some bleeding frequencies, but I would think, given the thousands of PCs worldwide, that such a thing would have come out of the closet a long time ago. That said, there’s no definitive way to say.

              Noticeable intereference with other electronic devices might be a side effect, but PC cases as a rule aren’t really shielded, they’re just metal boxes. And if leaving the cover off causes health problems, my insurer is going to have their hands full one of these days. grin

            • #644566

              Mark,
              I’m with you 100 % on this topic. There are too many people running around, who don’t know the FIRST thing about RF, radiation, electronics and electrical devices, yet they are the ones who, like chicken little, scream that the sky is falling, the sky is falling ! There must be harmful radiation from cell phones, cell towers, PC’s, pagers, electrical devices and or anything else that operates on those mysterious radio waves!!!! Get a life! We have more to worry about than these things.
              I’ll open another thread on another similar subject. (static electricity in and around PC’s) That should open up another can of worms for the terrified. argue

              Bob

            • #644309

              I can’t think of anything inside a PC that would emit any significant or dangerous electro-magnetic radiation. I guess the largest source would be the PSU, and that’s certainly nothing to worry about. If anything, the risk would be to sensitive components in the PC from EMR from other sources (such as the monitor).

              The metal case of a PC would be a fair shield against EMR.

            • #644505

              I would advise that you don’t run your PC with the covers off because of the possibility of harmful radiation.

              The radiation originates outside the box (for example at your mobile phone) and can cause harm to your PC, occassionally resulting in an unexpected reboot but not likely to cause any physical damage. I have come across at least one issue where disk corruption on a server was almost certainly caused by use of a mobile phone when the covers were off!

              StuartR

            • #644533

              Oh, but don’t worry about holding the phone up next to your head for several hours a month. There’s no definitive evidence that this could do you any harm at all. grin

              Since I’ve never met an IT person without at least one cell phone, and possibly a pager and cordless headset, it would seem to be pretty hazardous for the equipment. We put a monitor in a mobile rack between a bunch of servers and switches and you should have seen the display jiggle and dance. Brought tears to my eyes trying to read it. I think those servers give as good as they get; it’s every device for itself.

            • #644563

              In the spirit of remaining off topic, check this guy out: Open Case? (From ntfs.org forum on case mods)(how do you mod that???)

              kip (ps I just noticed I’m now a “Star Lounger”!!! When did that happen? Don’t I get a Gold Watch?…seriously this is a great board and I’m happy to be a small part of it…)

            • #644572

              The gold watch is awarded when you reach the Plutonium Lounger level. grin Actually, that happened when you topped fifty posts. Titles and Status are explained in the online help, section 16. smile

              Now that case, ouch. That looks more like meltdown to me!

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