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    Coldheart9020
    AskWoody Lounger
    July 8, 2020 at 2:00 pm #2278636

    Hi everyone. First thread and second post, but I do lurk quite a bit and read the site almost daily. I’m on Pro edition 1909, build 18363.836 in case anybody is interested 🙂

    When I saw earlier today that the MS-DEFCON level was lowered, I decided to go ahead and install the June patches before the July one(s) are released next week. I use StopUpdates10 to block Windows updates until I am ready to install them each month, like today.

    When I checked for updates, Feature update to Windows 10, version 2004 was grouped in with the other updates. Screenshots are attached. Last month, I was only getting the Learn more link, separate in a below divider as I’m sure many of you will have seen.

    This month, at no point was the 2004 update separate from the other updates. The Windows Defender signature update was done in a second or two, and then it moved directly on to ‘Getting things ready’ for the 2004 update.

    At that point I re-blocked Windows Update altogether with StopUpdates10, as I am reluctant to find out if it will actually go ahead and download/install it. I definitely did not select it independent of the other updates; like I said, it was simply grouped in with them as soon as I checked for updates today.

    Any advice or information would be much appreciated, as I’m a bit puzzled as to why the 2004 update is not being offered as a separate download/installation, independent from the regular monthly updates. Thanks for reading.

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    • Elly
      AskWoody MVP
      July 8, 2020 at 2:43 pm #2278650

      In PKCano’s Guide for Windows Update Settings for Windows 10 it says:

      If you then Resume updates, or the pause period ends, the paused updates will download/install. Under these conditions, they do not respect the “2” (notify download/install) setting.

      I’d guess that using StopUpdates 10, then unblocking the updates, you will receive all available updates without a notify download/install, similar to using the “2” setting in group policy.

      Unblock, but immediately run wushowhide, and hide 2004. Then follow How to clear the Windows Update queue in Win10 , so that 2004 is no longer offered. Then allow your machine to update.

      It might be easier, in the future, to follow PKCano’s steps every month, since you have Pro. Then all updates will continue to show up with notification to download and install.

      Non-techy Win 10 Pro and Linux Mint experimenter

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      • Coldheart9020
        AskWoody Lounger
        July 8, 2020 at 3:00 pm #2278655

        Hi Elly, thank you for your prompt and detailed reply. Yes, I do have Group Policy set to ‘2 = Notify before downloading and installing any updates.’ for Configure Automatic Updates.

        I will follow your advice for future reference, and refer to the PKCano guide you linked. I’ll post back and let you know how it goes. Thanks again for your time and your helpful response.

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        • PKCano
          Manager
          July 8, 2020 at 3:08 pm #2278659

          Sections 3 and 4 of AKB2000016 are about Win10 Pro.

          If you use “2” and the deferral switches in WU under Advanced options, you do not need Pause. You can use wushowhide to hide anything you don’t want.

          But never, never, NEVER click on “Check for updates” b/c what you see in the queue is what you get, even if you didn’t want it!

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    • Coldheart9020
      AskWoody Lounger
      July 8, 2020 at 3:53 pm #2278678

      Update: Ran wushowhide and hid the 2004 update, then switched Network setting to metered connection, restarted and then re-ran wushowhide. I verified that the 2004 update is hidden (the only one shown in the list) and is not available to be hidden.

      If it’s best not to use ‘Check for updates’ for WU, should I just wait (up to 36 hours) for the remaining updates, excluding 2004, to install themselves? Windows Update is set to Manual start, as per the guide. StopUpdates10 is completely disabled as of now.

      PKCano, thank you for your input on this and I’ll be sure to give those sections in your guide a careful read. However, when you said in your post about “deferral switches in WU under Advanced options” I am not sure which setting toggle you’re referring to? Thanks again for your input 🙂

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      • PKCano
        Manager
        July 8, 2020 at 4:18 pm #2278693

        Under Windows Update\Advanced options there is a pulldown that allows deferral of Feature updates up to 365 days and another pulldown that allows deferral of Quality updates up to 30 days. Those are the switches I am referring to.

        If they are not there or they are grayed out in v1903 and v1909 Pro, then it’s because the deferral is set in Group Policy that makes them unavailable. See Section 3, under Group Policy Settings in AKB2000016.

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        • Coldheart9020
          AskWoody Lounger
          July 8, 2020 at 4:25 pm #2278699

          Thank you. I should’ve read AKB2000016 before posting. I’ll do that and follow your 2000013 guide for updates each month.

          In the meantime, should I hit ‘Retry’ on WU (due to error because my previously blocking the service after 2004 began to initialise) or just leave it to look for the updates itself, and then download them when WU finds them?

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          • PKCano
            Manager
            July 8, 2020 at 4:42 pm #2278707

            If you have hidden v2004, AND it shows on the hidden list in wushowhide, if you wait for WU to check for updates on it’s own, v2004 should be gone from the list of available updates in WU.

            If it is not in the hidden list in wushowhide, or if it still shows in the WU queue, then it will download.

            Clicking on “Check for updates” may get you things you don’t want.

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            • Coldheart9020
              AskWoody Lounger
              July 9, 2020 at 12:24 pm #2278917

              Hi again PKCano; a little update.

              After taking the advice of your previous post, today I booted up my PC and surprisingly saw in WU that v2004 was in the list, with the ‘Download’ button ready so WU did indeed search for updates.

              I followed the advice exactly as per 2000013, but when I ran wushowhide, v2004 was neither hidden or available to be hidden. Any advice? I’m a bit unsure what to do as a result. I must have done something wrong, but I just don’t know what exactly.

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            • PKCano
              Manager
              July 9, 2020 at 12:42 pm #2278933

              If you have the “Download” button, it means that you have the Pro Edition and you have set that in Group Policy.
              If you go to Windows Update\Advanced options and set the FEATURE deferral pulldown to 365 days, then let Windows Update check for updates on its own (may take a while), the Feature update should disappear from the WU queue.

              Re-read AKB2000016 Sections 3 and 4 (particularly the example in Section 4) to see how it works. When you get ready to go to v2004, you just lower the Feature update deferral days to the appropriate value.

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            • Coldheart9020
              AskWoody Lounger
              July 9, 2020 at 1:37 pm #2278952

              I was able to defer Feature updates for 365 days. I was not logged in on my Admin account (I use a standard user account for my everyday use) so that’s why I couldn’t see the deferral pulldowns before. My own fault for not thinking of this before now. I’ll now let Windows Update check again on its own, and hopefully v2004 will go away. Thanks again for your help.

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    • Coldheart9020
      AskWoody Lounger
      July 13, 2020 at 1:39 pm #2280058

      I was able to install the June updates successfully, without any problems arising as a result. The v2004 update did indeed disappear from the queue, and I verified it was definitely hidden by following AKB2000013 before finally going ahead.

      In future I’ll follow this advice as well as AKB2000016 when dealing with Windows Update, and I’ll refrain from selecting ‘Check for updates’ as per your advice. Thank you for your help and patience; it is much appreciated. 🙂

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