This is Excel 2002, SP3. I’ve been using this same spreadsheet for at least the past 10 years. Now, for the first time Excel is making subtraction errors. In the attached screenshot column H is the balance (H2 is selected to show you the formula). There are subtraction errors in rows 4, 6, and 8 (there are five more errors in a column of 49 rows, but you get the idea). What is going on?
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AskWoody LoungerApril 29, 2010 at 12:58 am #468545Viewing 10 reply threadsAuthorReplies-
WSjohnhutchison
AskWoody LoungerApril 29, 2010 at 1:37 am #1221131Are the figures in Column F calculated?
One explanation that can often explain situations like this is that Excel is performing its calculations on the actual values in the cells, rather than the displayed values.
The displayed value may often be rounded, hiding extra decimal places.You can go into Excel options..Advanced and turn on “Set Precision as Displayed” .
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WSaltdotcom
AskWoody LoungerApril 29, 2010 at 12:42 pm #1221233Yes, the values in column F are calculated. The value in F is the value in C x .007 (a screenshot with the formula is attached). If Excel is not rounding up the figures in rows 4 and 6 (2.695), what’s going on in row 8 (6.6325)? It’s giving 198.14 as the result of 204.78 minus 6.63, while in row 10 191.30 minus the same 6.63 equals 184.67?
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WSGfamily
AskWoody LoungerApril 29, 2010 at 12:50 pm #1221236Yes, the values in column F are calculated. The value in F is the value in C x .007 (a screenshot with the formula is attached). If Excel is not rounding up the figures in rows 4 and 6 (2.695), what’s going on in row 8 (6.6325)? It’s giving 198.14 as the result of 204.78 minus 6.63, while in row 10 191.30 minus the same 6.63 equals 184.67?
Is it possible that automatic calculation has been switched off? Try hitting F9 and see if the calculations right themselves.
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MemberMay 6, 2010 at 5:11 am #1222177This is Excel 2002, SP3. I’ve been using this same spreadsheet for at least the past 10 years. Now, for the first time Excel is making subtraction errors. In the attached screenshot column H is the balance (H2 is selected to show you the formula). There are subtraction errors in rows 4, 6, and 8 (there are five more errors in a column of 49 rows, but you get the idea). What is going on?
The answer in H2 is perfectly correct as 243.86-5.39 = 238.47. As the formula asked for.
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WSfarokh
AskWoody LoungerMay 6, 2010 at 5:50 am #1222186A couple of points.
The first is that you should refrain from using formulas such as c2=””. Instead start using the function ISBLANK, as in =if(isblank(c2), etc. Far more elegant and accurate.
Type all your functions in lower case. Always. Excel will convert them to upper case when it recognises the function. You will get an error message as in @NAME? if it does not recognise the function. The function you typed in will remain in lower case making it easy to identify the source of the problem. Usually a typo.
Finally, the calculations in your spreadsheet are correct. Remove the formatting from all your cells. You will notice that the numbers are calculated to 4 decimal points and are rounded to 2 as per your formatting. Hence the perceived error.
In general, Excel will calculate numbers up to 15 decimal points. Comparing numbers can therefore lead you to believe that there are errors where there is fact a discrepancy in rounding.
There is no solution to this that I know of. You have functions such as ROUNDUP and ROUNDDOWN that might help. I don’t think it is worth the trouble.
Good luck.
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WSrory
AskWoody LoungerMay 6, 2010 at 6:04 am #1222191The first is that you should refrain from using formulas such as c2=””. Instead start using the function ISBLANK, as in =if(isblank(c2), etc. Far more elegant and accurate.
These two tests are not the same. ISBLANK returns true only if there is nothing at all in the cell. A formula in C2 that returns “” will cause ISBLANK(C2) to return FALSE, whereas the test for C2=”” will catch it.
Tim Sullivan
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AskWoody LoungerMay 10, 2010 at 3:03 pm #1223021Its almost certainly rounding errors. When doing calculations on monetary values it is best to format all cells to a currency format. That will take care of all rounding issues using the standard rounding rules, ie those used in accounting practices.
The reason it just cropped up, is either the values you are putting in this time are just the right combo to trip you up, or it just got overlooked before and now there is more scrutiny, or a combination of both. In short a combination of good old human nature and software that is not quite intuitive enough yet.
So just format columns C, F, and H with a standard currency format and it will all work out for you.
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WSjohnhutchison
AskWoody LoungerMay 10, 2010 at 5:52 pm #1223035So just format columns C, F, and H with a standard currency format and it will all work out for you.
I don’t think that is right. The picture below shows two identical columns of figures. Col A is formatted as Currency, Col B has 3 dec places.
To describe what is happening as Rounding Errors suggests that Excel is getting it wrong. Excel is correctly adding up the figures it is given.
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