For us – besides being not declared business ready of course – the dissappearing update-settings are a clear no go for 1903. Sadly enough though, a gloomy message appeared this week at the update-panel. It states our machines are running a version of Windows 10 (1803) that very soon will run out of support and needs to be updated. Running Pro at the semi annual channel with 365 days deferral for feature updates. So guess we will soon be pushed to 1903 unfortunately. That would mean the end of using Windows as main workstations here, but so be it. Better switch now then run into deep trouble in the totally unpredictable and unprofessional world of Windows 10. :-/

As i saw someone theory, i think the vanishing deferral settings might be related to the removal of semi-annual channel (targeted)

maybe some programming contradiction

even in group policy, we get the option to choose between “Semi-Annual Channel” and “Semi-Annual Channel (Targeted) for 1809 and below (Deprecated)”
but under the hood, both options refrence the same registry value

"BranchReadinessLevel"=dword:00000010

woody wrote:

but the vanishing Update advanced options remains a mystery

I think the it won’t come back as it is a deliberate move by Microsoft to force updates/upgrades.

Windows 10 v.1803 (home) gets another cumulative update dd.june 26,  kb4497398 ; updates to build.17134.860
I don’t have a clue what exactly is patched, that is still very secret,
this update was not offered by windows itself, but I had strange memory problems with my screen & background apps……    these problems seems to be better after the uodate
or is that wishfull thinking?

Fred wrote:

Windows 10 v.1803 (home) gets another cumulative update dd.june 26,  kb4497398 ; updates to build.17134.860
I don’t have a clue what exactly is patched, that is still very secret,
this update was not offered by windows itself, but I had strange memory problems with my screen & background apps……    these problems seems to be better after the uodate
or is that wishfull thinking?

https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/microsoft-patches-older-versions-of-windows-10-with-a-single-fix/

I have 1903.  Has anyone tried KB 4501375?  Does it impair your PC?

(I understand it fixes the Event Viewer problem and would like to fix that at least.)

Thanks.

It appears that Microsoft’s update system is messed up. I recently did a fresh install of 1809 on most of my computers. On two of them, a laptop and a tablet, the Store app downloads 12-15 updates whenever I do a check. After the apps are download and ‘installed’, the Recent Actively show no changes. Sounds just like 1903’s Windows Update system.

It appears that Microsoft is no longer capable of looking at your system’s installed software and then providing the necessary updates. Perhaps it’s time for someone at Microsoft to find a new…

FWIW, I’m on Win 10 1903 Home. This morning I got the .NET cumulative update automatically and got the option to download and install the 1903 cumulative update. After the install and restart, I checked the updates menu again and saw that the 1903 cumulative update was listed again as an optional download and install. After some cursing that this would be three months straight having to install the cumulative update twice, I clicked download and install and after a brief checking for updates, it said I was up to date. So it didn’t install twice although it appeared as an optional update twice.

I’ve been on 1903 for two weeks and haven’t noticed any issues and so far no issues with the cumulative update other than it being offered twice, but thankfully only installed once.

anonymous wrote:

FWIW, I’m on Win 10 1903 Home. This morning I got the .NET cumulative update automatically and got the option to download and install the 1903 cumulative update. After the install and restart, I checked the updates menu again and saw that the 1903 cumulative update was listed again as an optional download and install. After some cursing that this would be three months straight having to install the cumulative update twice, I clicked download and install and after a brief checking for updates, it said I was up to date. So it didn’t install twice although it appeared as an optional update twice.

I’ve been on 1903 for two weeks and haven’t noticed any issues and so far no issues with the cumulative update other than it being offered twice, but thankfully only installed once.

I can confirm a 2nd offering of KB4501375 AFTER its Install and Re-Start — and Clk’ing Chk for Updates netted “You’re Up to date” and no 2nd download. I had a 1st attempt Install  problem WU acknowledged with an Update Page Notice and a suggested Re-Start spinning-arrow lasted so long I did a hard Power Off and tried again successfully on 2nd attempt.

I inst’d the 6/27 “1903” Svc Stack manually as suggested (& 4.8 Net Frmwk WU offered) yesterday. KB4501375 appeared as Pending Dnload when I clk’d Update & Security today.

I don’t place much faith in Windows anymore, Microsoft pretty much deems it a legacy platform they reluctantly have to continue to maintain and support. They basically have removed themselves from even talking about Windows anymore which is the writing on the wall. When I get cumulative updates and feature updates I just cross fingers and hope for the best these days.

gHacks Martin B on 6/27: [ KB4501375 is – considered a – Preview Update – , not a final update. It should Not be installed on production machines but is suitable for testing purposes.

Woody 6/27: [ You’ll only get this patch if you click “Check for updates” (which, of course, you never do), or if you download and install it manually. If you do install it manually, be sure to first install the new Servicing Stack Update, KB 4506933.]

Per (2) anonymous 6/28  12:20 & 1:32  & Me —- On 6/28 IT WAS THERE as – Pending Download – when I clk’d the – Update & Security – Page, so – does MS show “Preview” Updates as a Pending Dnload – OR – might the Status have changed in one day? Confused…..

PKCano wrote:

With Home Edition, you should be using Metered Connections and wushowhide to stop the download/install. That is your only defense unless you use a third-party Update blocker.

With Macrium images I haven’t backed-off from W10 Updates since Feb new HP and haven’t had but the one issue where (2 ) 6/28 Cum Update Install attempts were requd.

I’m just trying to clarify IF the Pending Cum Update I saw / Inst’d yesterday was Still the Preview – I would expect MS to show a “Release” Update as Pending, Not “Preview”. Remember, I just clk’d Updates & Security, Not Chk For, and There it was – and for the (2) anonymous post-ers I ref’d, too..

Replying to PJCano:

The point is that both he and we (the two anon’s) were offered the updates in question WITHOUT clicking on “Check for Updates.” They were already there when navigating to the Windows Update page. Sometimes, with version 1903, just pulling up that page automatically initiates “Check for Updates” without even clicking on the square. When I first navigated to the update and security page after booting up my laptop, the dot net update and the preview cumulative update were already referenced and highlighted, the first one ready for download and the second one asking to be downloaded and installed. Since this laptop never has any issues or problems with Windows 10 versions, upgrades, or updates, and since it is basically a spare pc for me (my other laptop and two desktops all run Windows 7 x64 sp1 fully updated), I just go ahead and act as the guinea pig, while keeping strategically timed Macrium images along the way. So far, no problems (fingers crossed).

HP-Omen 7th Generation Intel Core i7 7700HQ w/128 Gb Sandisk SSD 8 Gb RAM and 1 Tb fixed disk for data, and Windows 10 Home (originally version 1709 factory install). No servers, no gaming, no Office.

On Friday (06/28), I updated from 1803 to 1903 and set the delay for Features to 60 days and Quality to 5 days. When I restarted my machine later on, the “Choose when updates are installed” area was gone. So, um, how do I get that area back and when is Microsoft going to fix this bug?

Windows 10 Pro 1803, 2 machines, one originally Windows 8 Pro, the other always 10 but pre 1803. Both have been set to defer updates for a long time: features 365, quality 30 days. Altered both to 0 in both machines, then upgraded both machines to 1903. Both still showing both defer updates; [happy]; on both machines set features to 30, left quality at 0; did a few Check for updates and it did a few updates. At some time after that and the next day or so, the defer updates had vanished. To say it again, after upgrade to 1903 defer updates was present, but after a while it vanished.    On an earlier third 1803 pro machine where I neglected to alter 365 and 30 to 0 and 0 before upgrading to 1903, the vanishing also occurred, BUT I did see them non-vanished, only for just a short while (minutes) right after the final automatic boot during 1903 upgrade but before the upgrading had fully completed its work – in this instance I’m reasonably sure they vanished without me having done Check for updates; on this third machine, at first I thought maybe I had imagined I’d seen the defer updates settings were still exposed, and was quite messed up mentally [not to mention angry] when they went away all by themselves.

That Update Screen is useless anyhow – as it only allows 35 days.

Use the registry … I haven’t updated in over 2 months…

It gets better…

anonymous wrote:

The general idea was here to skip 1809, but Microsoft seems to not appreciate that very much. Oh well, the first Mac’s are happily running here, along with some test Linux Mint machines. Especially the Mac’s are a revelation, no more update- and upgrade stress. Linux Mint is also fine, but has the disadvantage of not being able to run MS Office. The big question now is: do we REALLY need that, or will Libre Office be a good replacement on those machines? For now it looks ok, but we might run into problems. The future will tell. For sure is though, that Windows is on it’s final way out here. Really way too much troubles and wasted time since version 10. Maybe nice for some home users and gamers, but it’s not designed for professional use. Neither are the useless forced upgrades that besides lost time only at simplistic features that for no other modern OS would require a reinstall.

I prefer OpenOffice.  I walked away from M$ torture chamber in 2007 and went all Mac at home and professionally, became a Mac technician.  Then got sucked back into the swirling toilet bowl of M$ updates in 2017.  Thought 1709 then 1803 were heading back in the direction of nt4/win2k then 1809 fiasco happened.  I have no confidence in M$.  The only bright spot is that apparently Feature Updates now require a deliberate click on a new separate button in Windows Updates even on Home 1809.  I hope this isn’t one step forward, two steps back.

In the meantime, my 10.11 13″ jelly bean macbook and 10.12 17″ mbp continue to soldier on…