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  • Win10 beta build 15002 brings real improvement

    Posted on January 10th, 2017 at 09:55 woody Comment on the AskWoody Lounge

    It looks like we’re going to have “metered connections” for both Wi-Fi and Ethernet – which makes it a lead-pipe cinch to throttle forced updates.

    Fingers duly crossed.

    Combine that with the new privacy guidelines just released by Terry Myerson, and the two biggest objections to Windows 10 might – might – be a thing of the past.

    Maybe.

    Is it possible that Microsoft is listening?

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    This topic contains 20 replies, has 2 voices, and was last updated by  John in Mtl 8 months, 3 weeks ago.

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    • #13633 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      It looks like we’re going to have “metered connections” for both Wi-Fi and Ethernet – which makes it a lead-pipe cinch to throttle forced updates. Fin
      [See the full post at: Win10 beta build 15002 brings real improvement]

    • #13634 Reply

      John in Mtl

      I`ve read up about it recently on another site. Lots of interesting advancements but also still a lot of issues and bugs! So, thanks MS but no thanks; I`ll stick with windows 7.

      Still, I`m very interested in what you have to say about this new build, Woody.

    • #13635 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      It should be out of copyedit shortly…..

    • #13636 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      Beta 15002 is definitely a beta build. I would NEVER put it on a production machine. That said, it has some very interesting features – unlike all of the other Redstone 2 beta builds, which have been largely ho-hum.

    • #13637 Reply

      Rick

      The new issue with all audio stopping randomly is fitful, since apparently only a reboot solves it. At least with the Start menu and Action Center random failures, restarting the shell gets them working again, more or less.

      Woody, btw, that Active Hours enhancement you mentioned was made back in October.

    • #13638 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      In a beta build in October, yes? My 1607 Pro machine with latest cumulative update maxes out at 12.

      I think it’s new, in 15002, in Home.

    • #13639 Reply

      BobbyB

      Sorry to be off topic slightly but it appears the updates have made the web pages before arriving on my machine now theres a first! (Wish I had the defer for 35 days option set) alas poor ole GPEDIT has to do the Job.

    • #13640 Reply

      Rick

      Yes:
      https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2016/10/07/announcing-windows-10-insider-preview-build-14942-for-pc

      I didn’t realize that you were only referring to Home, which I don’t have. If it now also has this feature, that’s good.

    • #13641 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      Gotcha. Thanks!

    • #13642 Reply

      PKCano

      This seems to give control if you log in with an MS ID. Wonder if local IDs will have the same feature to control privacy.

      Per MS
      “First, today we’re launching a new web-based privacy dashboard so you can see and control your activity data from Microsoft including location, search, browsing, and Cortana Notebook data across multiple Microsoft services.”

    • #13643 Reply

      Bill Ingram

      Sounds like I have a reason (or 2) to upgrade Windows 8.1 to Win 10 Home, Build 15002! Taking my time & hoping I have enough money left from my 2016 tax refund…

    • #13644 Reply

      HLE

      Good to hear about the changes to windows update….then I read it wont be doable on the Home Version….still sticking with Windows 7.

      Its a great step, but it makes no sense to shut out the home user on an important option like that. I simply don’t get the logic

    • #13645 Reply

      Bill C.

      Nice article and thanks for the link to the Terry Myerson article.

      I want to be interested in Win10, but… Maybe, just maybe there may be a light at the end of the tunnel… maybe… … or maybe a Borg cube. 😉

      I will hope for a light, but caution dictates prepare for alternatives.

      As the Who sang, ‘We won’t get fooled again.”

    • #13646 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      I’m going to take a closer look at Terry’s post overnight.

    • #13647 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      But it looks like Home users WILL be able to use the metered connection trick. I think that’s a FAR better way to control updates than to rely on a 35-day countdown with undefined consequences.

    • #13648 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      Oh heavens, no. Only install beta builds – for any software – on a machine that you don’t need.

      If the Creators Update sounds interesting, wait until it’s ready. We have a long, long way to go before it’s stable.

    • #13649 Reply

      PKCano

      Wonder if the French inquiry into data collection had any affect on this? MS may take a forced situation and turn it around to look good for them – “we did this because we listened (ROTFLMAO).

      And I wonder if they’re creating a less granular way of turning things off to make it look like they are giving more control.

    • #13650 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      I wouldn’t be surprised if the French inquiry prompted at least some of it.

    • #13651 Reply

      Michael

      I love how the first sentence on the Terry Myerson article “At Microsoft, we are deeply committed to protecting our customers’ privacy.” immediately is a hotlink to what Microsoft defines as privacy. I wonder if Terry has ever asked Cortana what irony is…

      Honestly, though, my biggest beef now with Win10, after trying to wrangle it in a corporate environment is that even with the Professional version, corporations have no control over what appears on the Start menu, how to stop games and apps from auto-installing, and how to force Cortana back in her box. Registry hacks, etc. seem to be overwritten every time there’s a new build pushed out.

    • #13652 Reply

      Jan K.

      Not only the french… probably the entire EU…

      I handle customer’s confidential data, and since I don’t know – and can’t control – what is collected by microsoft and/or their partners, then as things are now, I’m not allowed to use Windows 10 according to danish laws…

      I don’t want close personnal relationship with microsoft, neither need nor want a personnal assistent Cortana… I want DOS 6.22 with a nice UI 😛

      We need to choose, what data microsoft is allowed to collect, before or during installation. And microsoft will eventually be forced to make it so… wait and see.

      Until then, Windows 7 it is.

    • #13653 Reply

      messager7777777

      @ woody & HLE ……. Bear in mind that the Win 10 EULA requires the users to install the cumulative updates(= it’s mandatory), ie the users r not allowed to defer them indefinitely via the metered connection setting.
      ……. M$ may set a deadline of a month or two or three, for the users to install the cumulative updates b4 taking ‘punitive’ actions against the users – their Win 10 license may even be revoked/deactivated via their metered connection for breaking the EULA.
      .
      With Win 7/8.1, users do not hv this EULA problem if they defer cumulative updates/rollups indefinitely, eg those in Group B & C/W.

    • #13654 Reply

      AlexEiffel

      I’m not sure to share your enthusiasm, Woody.

      Yes, in practice the metered trick works. But, a lot of people will use that trick because they saw it on the Internet and they will forget about it after and might not get updated which, from a security standpoint is not so great.

      Microsoft should just issue security updates, with a delay switch and a reminder to turn it on if they really want people to be able to delay updates. Then, someone might refuse updates, but they will get nagged every x days so they actively have to refuse updates and compromise their security for it to be so for a long time.

      Also, they should clearly distinguishes security updates from features updates. Then, it would be much easier to have two updates settings. One where you want the bleeding edge and other where you just want the lower risk security updates and delay the features a few weeks. After some time, you need to install the features, but you can have more delay than security updates. No one needs new features that bad that Microsoft should shovel them down your throat at an inappropriate moment, especially if you work some place like a dental office where you couldn’t care less about new features including bugs that might break your computer. Security updates are more important and one could argue it makes more sense to force them a bit faster.

      The metered trick is just that, a trick, and it can backfire as some people might not use it well. Good for Woody’s readers maybe, but still, I’d rather have a delay and nag myself than having to meter the connection and manually have to think to turn it on once in a while. Plus, when I turn it on, if a new update just came out that I don’t want, but I want the older one, what happens? If I just need that security update packaged with the rest from a month ago, but now a new update is out that I don’t want, I can’t choose. Not good.

      As for the privacy option, I don’t want to sound like the guy who always complain, but if I have to use a Microsoft Account to tell them I don’t want to be tracked, I don’t like this idea very much. Why do I need to be identifiable to say I don’t want you to collect my things? It’s like that setting in a browser you need cookies for it to be remembered. I never understood that setting in Windows. You click on it, it opens your browser and then you need to check on a webpage that you don’t want to be tracked by Microsoft. But if I use Firefox, does MS track me from Windows anyway? I don’t understant. If I use Firefox and cookies are deleted every time I close the session, the setting is not remembered. What does all that mean? It’s never been clear to me.

      I understand maybe MS just made a dashboard to control a few things we could already control when we know what we were doing and that is fine, but we need to see if they will reset those settings every big update. It is a step in the right direction, but still I don’t want MS to know what software I have installed and the basic telemetry seems to still do that.

      Maybe the online dashboard requiring an MS Account controls what you have collected as an identifiable MS Account owner, but if you are a local account user and some file content is updated to MS for whatever reason and you still have no control over that, I don’t like it. They might probably just use it for whatever legitimate reason like part of anti-malware scanning, product improvement, bugs tracking of their software or whatever, but if I want to opt-out, I should be able to.

    • #13655 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      Very good points.

      It’s true. The metered connection trick only works if you check for updates from time to time.

      As for splitting apart security-only and non-security-only Win10 patches – oh, I wish. I think a lot of people are getting even more confused. Microsoft has never said it will split out security-only Win10 patches. I doubt it’ll ever happen.

    • #13656 Reply

      PKCano
    • #13657 Reply

      PKCano

      I downloaded Build 15002 to a VM last night. The VM has shared ethernet connections with the host, so it appears a wired ethernet – there is no wireless available even if I use the wireless connection on the host.

      This morning as I was going through the Settings to see what was new (and what they changed back to default with the update) I found the “Set as Metered” switch. IT DOES NOT WORK!!! Every time I set it to metered, go back to Settings, then check it again THE METERED CONNECTION IS TURNED OFF. Even if I check for updates immediately before I do this – it still does not remain at metered.

      Afterthought: did you notice they made “driver updates” the default also????

    • #13658 Reply

      Jan K.

      Exactly what I tried to put together above! Windows 10 makes me break the laws, if I use it…

      What they added in the dash-board looks quite nice though, but until everything is completely transparent seen from the end-users standpoint, Win10 is a no-go…

      “A Microsoft spokesman said the company appreciated the opportunity to discuss Windows 10 with the Swiss Data Protection Authority”

      I wouldn’t mind having a word too….

      We have the law, but don’t we need a user pressure group as well? Woody? busy with anything?

    • #13659 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      HA!

      Chasing down inconsistencies in the new Privacy Dashboard.

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