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  • Edge stores your browsing history on Microsoft’s servers

    Posted on January 11th, 2017 at 12:48 woody Comment on the AskWoody Lounge

    Apparently if you want to get rid of your Edge browser history – the list of URLs you’ve accessed – you have to delete the browsing history in Edge, but then you ALSO have to delete the copies that are stored in Microsoft’s servers.

    I didn’t know that. Anybody else encounter it?

    IE only stores browsing history locally. Edge stores two copies, one on the machine, the other in the cloud.

    Details coming tomorrow.

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    • #13359 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      Apparently if you want to get rid of your Edge browser history – the list of URLs you’ve accessed – you have to delete the browsing history in Edge, b
      [See the full post at: Edge stores your browsing history on Microsoft’s servers]

    • #13360 Reply

      Ulysses

      It certainly teeters the edge of ethics.

    • #13361 Reply

      David F

      I don’t use win10 but am curious to know what happens if a user uses a local account rather than a MS one

    • #13362 Reply

      ch100

      I think it is all about Bing history and privacy settings stored in the Cloud and not specific to Edge.
      But for the history and any other configuration to be associated with a specific user, that would happen only if the user logged in with the Microsoft Account and not a local user.

    • #13363 Reply

      LoneWolf

      I already unpinned Edge from the taskbar/Start Menu of all my systems running Windows 10, and set Google Chrome or Mozilla Firefox as default.

      One, I don’t trust Edge. Two, it’s a lousy browser, finding the options one needs to set is clunky, and its page rendering capability, while okay for speed, doesn’t always match up with even Internet Explorer, let alone Chrome or Firefox.

      For end users, I find Chrome to be the best browser. For myself, Firefox gets a little bit of an edge (privacy), with Chrome second, and Internet Explorer a distant third, but sometimes necessary for specific sites/network management interfaces.

    • #13364 Reply

      NetDef

      Oh hey, they’ve decided to compete with Chrome on this feature set too!

    • #13365 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      Quite true.

    • #13366 Reply

      BobbyB

      Ohhhh yeah! after following a few links from Terry Myersons comments yesterday i went to the privacy web page. I normally have all the privacy settings set and 1 or 2 settings in GPEDIT set for privacy (telemetry) I have Bing turned off and no Cortana. The only settings I allow is Weather and Location, news and business are set to another countries settings and thats it. I have no M$ account set just on an App by App basis. ie sign in to each app only (no machine take over and no details inputted or given)
      Well all my, limited, browsing done on Edge (not IE11) was all there on M$ servers and it knew where I had spent Christmas and where I was now and one or two other places I had been. Its really scarey if your really bothered, and I am not as I have had my suspicions for a long time as to wether the privacy slider buttons in Win10 actually work. Seems like the overwhelming annecdotal evidence is that they dont. As I had checked my privacy details on a win7x86 machine there couldnt be any possibility that the web site was “dipping” in to my win10 machine. Possibly time to investigate further as to what you can really turn of with “Microsnoops” win10.

    • #13367 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      I don’t know if browsing history is kept, identified by, say, IP address, or advertiser ID. But you can’t get in to look at or edit the history without a Microsoft account.

    • #13368 Reply

      Sjaak

      It seems to be a Cortana feature (if you are talking about this page: https://account.microsoft.com/privacy):

      If you log on to Windows with your Microsoft account and turn on browsing history in Cortana, your Microsoft Edge browsing history will be sent to Microsoft so that Microsoft features and services can use your browsing activity to provide you with timely and intelligent answers and proactive personalised suggestions.

      How do I stop Microsoft Edge from saving my browsing history to the cloud?

      On your device, select the search box on the taskbar to open Cortana home. Then select Menu > Notebook > Permissions. Turn off Browsing history.

    • #13369 Reply

      Anonymous

      I am pretty sure it is the same deal with Chrome. I might add that Google makes it very obtuse to delete your browsing history and there does not seem to be a complete history erase function. You have to slog through day by day browsing activity and that would indicate they wish to retain the data even if you do not.

    • #13370 Reply

      ch100

      The IP address may or may not be relevant as it changes often for many home users, but the advertiser ID is the same and it is likely that matters.
      Users should be advised to disable advertiser ID, in the same way this is advised for iOS.

    • #13371 Reply

      Bob

      This is ridiculous if true. Does it only apply to those users logged in with a Microsoft account (i.e. not a local user)?

      There was a story some time ago:

      http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2443817/microsoft-edge-is-storing-your-inprivate-browsing-history

      You may also be interested in the new privacy settings brought in by the Creators Update:

      http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/01/11/microsofts_new_windows_telemetry_manager/

      Apparently ‘Basic’ is becoming more basic (i.e. sending less information) BUT ‘Full’ is becoming more full (i.e. sending more information).

      They’re also consolidating all the privacy options onto one or two pages – see the screenshots.

      The other feature in the Creators Update is the ability to pause updates for UP TO “35 days” if you’re a Pro, Education or Enterprise user.

      I’ve read your InfoWorld article and I’m confused.

      What’s the difference between the current “Defer feature updates” via Settings, the group policy to “Defer Windows Updates [Feature or Quality]” and the new “Pause Updates”?

      Also what does it mean by pause UP TO 35 days?

    • #13372 Reply

      samak

      Why is anyone surprised by this? It is exactly what I would expect Micros$%t to do.

    • #13373 Reply

      PKCano

      I mentioned this earlier.
      https://www.askwoody.com/2017/win10-beta-build-15002-brings-real-improvement/#comment-114232

      If you don’t use a Microsoft account, you don’t have access to the dashboard (and I can guarantee your information is there, however it’s stored). It’s uploaded as part of MS data collection.

      It’s the whole Cortana/Bing/Edge thing. They’re all related. Anything you do in Edge, any access that Cortana has, any search you do – it is Microsoft’s.

    • #13374 Reply

      b

      It’s a Cortana setting:

      “If you log on to Windows with your Microsoft account and turn on browsing history in Cortana, your Microsoft Edge browsing history will be sent to Microsoft so that Microsoft features and services can use your browsing activity to provide you with timely and intelligent answers and proactive personalized suggestions. This also helps us to improve Microsoft Edge and other Microsoft services.”
      https://account.microsoft.com/privacy#/browse

      “To stop Microsoft Edge from collecting your browsing history for Cortana personalization:
      On your PC, select the search box on the taskbar to open Cortana home. On your mobile device, select the Search button.
      Select Cortanaโ€™s menu > Notebook > Permissions.
      Find Browsing history, and turn the switch to Off.”
      https://privacy.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-10-microsoft-edge-and-privacy

    • #13375 Reply

      Eric

      Another opportunity to snarf up personal information for data mining and ad generation. What a surprise. Not!

    • #13376 Reply

      PKCano

      This has been the case from the beginning of Win10.

      SettingsGeneral:
      Manage My Microsoft advertising and other personal info takes you to choice.microsoft.com

      SettingsPrivacySpeech, inking & typing:
      Go to Bing and manage your personal info for all devices

      Cortana notebook is on MS servers

      Bing (search engine in Edge) collects your searcheshistory (just like Google). CortanaBing (search engine on desktop search) – same thing.

      Been there all along.

    • #13377 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      There’s a difference between searches and URL history. No doubt the URL history has been collected since the beginning of Edge, but I’ve never seen a way to view or edit it.

    • #13378 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      Right but that page – https://account.microsoft.com/privacy?refd=www.askwoody.com#/ – only appeared yesterday.

      The Cortana URL history collection is a different animal. I can’t find a way for Cortana, all by itself, to store a visited URL, without going through Edge.

      Or am I missing something?

    • #13379 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      Much will be revealed in the morning. ๐Ÿ™‚

    • #13380 Reply

      ch100

      I think Internet Explorer or any other browser which searches through Bing is affected and this is true for Google Search as well, possible via a different mechanism.

    • #13381 Reply

      b

      > “The Cortana URL history collection is a different animal. I canโ€™t find a way for Cortana, all by itself, to store a visited URL, without going through Edge.”

      To me, those two sentences of yours completely contradict each other!

      The Cortana setting controls whether your Edge browsing history is copied to cloud storage.

      (And I apologize for not seeing that Sjaak said more or less the same as me nearly a couple of hours earlier: I thought I had refreshed page.)

    • #13382 Reply

      BobbyB

      Yep same deal I don’t use an M$ account ie machine takeover, I only use single Apps signed in on aa App by App basis and it still snoops.

    • #13383 Reply

      BobbyB

      Don’t have Cortana here on win10Edu and it still snoops I think, as ch100 says, its a Bing thing although that’s turned off as a search option in settings. Looks like off back to GPEDIT again to see what else can be turned off

    • #13384 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      I’m looking at it kind of upside down.

      Storage of Edge URL history is controlled by a setting in Cortana’s Notebook / Permissions called Browsing history.

      Apparently Cortana doesn’t have its own, independent URL history.

      Inside Edge, there’s a setting for “Have Cortana assist me in Microsoft Edge” and an option to clear Bing search history – which goes to a web site, https://www.bing.com/profile/history?fsi=1&FORM=EDGHIS . Clearing the history from that web site does NOT clear the history from the new Privacy Dashboard site.

      It’s all quite convoluted to me. You’d think Edge’s URL history would be controlled inside Edge…. yes?

    • #13385 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      Right. Bing search history is different from Edge URL history, though.

    • #13386 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      Might be worthwhile taking a look at https://account.microsoft.com/privacy#/browse to see what else might’ve cropped up.

    • #13387 Reply

      ch100

      I think if you have Allow Cortana disabled in gpedit.msc it is enough to cover all the other settings.
      Win10 EDU should have it by default turned off in the licensing protected area and you are not able to turn it on even if you wished.
      The files are still there and this is true in LTSB and Server 2016.

    • #13388 Reply

      PKCano

      EdgeSettingsClean browsing data
      Choose whatto clean
      Change what Microsoft Edge knows about me in the cloud (requires MD ID)
      Clean Bing search history
      Learn More takes you to Bing.com (requires MS ID)

      It’s all the same CortanaBingEdge

    • #13389 Reply

      PKCano

      “When you are signed in with your Microsoft account, you can go to account.microsoft.com/privacy to review and clear data such as browsing history, search history, location activity, and Cortanaโ€™s Notebook โ€“ all in one place. This is our first step in expanding the tools that give you visibility and control over your data spanning Microsoft products and services, and we will continue to add more functionality and categories of data over time.”

      You can choose what to clean (which means it’s there – see all categories).
      Requires MS ID to access – NOT local ID

    • #13390 Reply

      Michael

      And Adobe Acrobat just got into the same game too… New feature undocumented in the changelog, with usage reporting turned on by default.
      https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/software/adobe-acrobat-reader-dc-update-installs-chrome-browser-extension/
      I like how it asks for permission to “read and change all your data on the websites you visit”…

    • #13391 Reply

      fp

      Now u see y I removed edge and will never accept it back. 1511 forever.

    • #13392 Reply

      PKCano

      The only way out is Kill Cortana and Kill Edge.
      But MS will probably put them back next time you updateupgrade.

      Ask Canadian Tech…..

    • #13393 Reply

      AskMe

      Add

      0.0.0.0 http://www.bing.com

      to your hosts file and enjoy the silence. Of course, this will disable Cortana as well.

    • #13394 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      Kinda makes you feel warm and fuzzy….

    • #13395 Reply

      b

      The only thing worse than a targeted ad is an untargeted ad.

    • #13396 Reply

      John in Mtl

      Yes but… can we **be positively certain** that this ID really is disabled? Seems to me that the potential to build a personal profile of a user or users, for whatever commercial, social or political reasons, is too tempting to let go of by entities who have the knowledge and motivation to eventually profit from this. Who is to say that the setting might only be there to apease the privacy-conscious user, really, but that data (which is encrypted so we have absolutely no idea what’s sent to MS) is still collected and stored for future use.

    • #13397 Reply

      b

      The Edge InPrivate bug was patched a year ago (KB3135174).

    • #13398 Reply

      b

      Ironic that most of the concerned comments here are from people who claim no one uses Edge.

    • #13399 Reply

      BobbyB

      Ok this is what I have found in Win10Edux64
      If you use a local account it really doesent matter if you use Edge it will still phones home. Obviously if you use an M$ account your machine is open to M$s every “whim”.
      So I would suggest using a 3rd party browser or IE11.
      If you use location services such as weather or Maps it does track you and fairly accurately too. However the Maps app just nails it to the general neighbourhood not precise address. There’s an interesting quirk if you open maps and your network settings and there’s a few wireless networks nearby your location bounces all over the neighbourhood as does the networks up and down in the list of available networks (just leave it about a Min.).
      In (win8.1 Prox64) your location is nailed to within about 25 yards.
      If you try and download an app from the store be very! very! careful not to inadvertently “surrender your machine to an M$ account just sign in to each app separately.
      M$ mail again I would say its a safe bet that if you set it up to use your ISP pop account then the settings will go back to M$ as does the calender again if you use them sign in by app only.
      If you wish to try out these settings the Data isn’t immediately accessible to browse. Cleared mine about 8 hours ago and the fresh data hasn’t shown up yet.
      Lastly this was done on win10edux64 with no Cortana (doesent install by default) and everything remotely to do with security disabled in settings appart from location, Weather and Maps services above. There’s some GPEDIT settings set but those are to do with telemetry updates etc. Should you install win10edu be sure to select “no feature upgrades” before updating other wise the first update installs Cortana. Trust me I found out to my cost ๐Ÿ™ hope this has been of some help.

    • #13400 Reply

      fp

      I did and I don’t upgrade.

    • #13401 Reply

      fp

      Users should not have to clean anything. They should only opt in if they want to.

    • #13402 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      I wouldn’t say it’s a claim. It’s a statistical fact. ๐Ÿ™‚

    • #13403 Reply

      ch100

      What is the purpose of signing in to individual apps?
      They all report back to Microsoft and likely correlate the results, so you may as well sign in to Windows with your Microsoft account to have the same outcome or an even better outcome in a convenience sense.

    • #13404 Reply

      ch100

      But the better outcome is no ad at all, in particular if the user decides to repay debt and not buy useless junk ๐Ÿ™‚

    • #13405 Reply

      ch100

      This is interesting, especially that the only useful built-in apps are Weather and Maps (and Calculator, but there is no real need to use the built-in app for that functionality).
      One can live without Edge, which is only of academic interest at the moment.
      I have to admit that I have never got into those details, maybe because in a practical sense I don’t find why someone should be so defensive and try to figure out what should not be there vs how to make things working.
      From my point of view, there are alternatives and I am not interested in making Microsoft behave.
      For those who don’t like the product on offer, for me it is take it or leave it.

    • #13406 Reply

      LoneWolf

      I for one, welcome our new evil overlords.

      ;^)

    • #13407 Reply

      ax kramer

      Great…. so now Microsoft knows that I frequently visit a website, using Edge, called “askwoody.com”.

      I hope that MS is pleased to have this valuable information. Maybe MS will even put up an ad on my computer for Woody’s books!

    • #13408 Reply

      abbodi86

      Spoiler alert ๐Ÿ˜›
      https://support.microsoft.com/help/10609

      who uses Edge anyway ๐Ÿ™‚

    • #13409 Reply

      b

      The statistical fact is that Edge has 22,840,000 users.

    • #13410 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      Interesting number! May I see the back of your envelope?

    • #13411 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      Bless you, my child.

    • #13412 Reply

      AlexEiffel

      I understand your point of view ch100 and I share it to a certain degree, but I think there is an important distinction to make.

      The question of using Windows or not is not a simple one of choosing one brand of car over another, for example. For a lot of people, it is a very difficult switch and not necessarily a practical one to use an alternative. Windows has a legacy that is so large that one could maybe successfully argue that for a lot of people, they can’t really have continuity with their computer if they want to stop using Windows. It has become somewhat of an essential service and the skills or time required for a successful switch can be just too much even for some powerusers. That is why so many people are interested in making Microsoft behave. Some, like me, just love a lot of the product too.

      In Canada, the government just decided high speed internet at 50Mbit/s is essential service, forcing the industry to stop selling lousy service (hear crappy unreliable 2-3Mbps DSL) in a few years for the same highest price possible they can charge before people can’t buy it. Regulation will have this impact that industry will have to not charge more because the consumer won’t pay more anyway, but at least they will get decent Internet. If you face an oligopoly, you need that kind of thing or else the industry just keep their costs very low and benefits from high margin at the expense of the consumer that gets lousy products at a high price but have no choice because there is nothing else. Competition is great, free market can be great, but without competition it doesn’t work.

      On the subject of Windows and this is where I might be more in line with your thoughts, is that I there there is one thing that the consumer can do and it is to avoid as much as possible everything that uses privacy invading features and all new apps from the Microsoft App store. That way, it sends a clear signal to the company that we want no part of this. Then they can move Office to that store and force you to use an MS Account to use it, or they can listen and provide acceptable solutions if they are scared enough to loose market share. If they go too far the privacy-invading route, they risk more to expose themselves to other problems if the voices against it gets too loud.

      For myself, no Edge, no Bing, no Xbox, no nothing Microsoft as much as I can, but I need to use this great Excel.

      Last week I went to the orthodondist and I was surprised he was running Windows 10 in his new fancy office. Can I tell you how ridiculous it is to have your health professional click on the Windows start button to have him look for his fancy dental software among Candy Crush and other toy crap?

    • #13413 Reply

      Forst

      Who uses Windows Mobile?

    • #13414 Reply

      b
    • #13415 Reply

      PKCano

      Maybe MS will even read some of the comments!!!!

      GO WOODY!!!

    • #13416 Reply

      BobbyB

      Interestingly the bundled Win10 email app when you enter pop.isp.com or imap.isp.com fills in the smtp details automatically. Well no brainer I would have thought its obviously going to be smtp.isp.com. But no M$ filled in something like smtp.isp123.com and it worked. Do they know something I don’t? Hence I never use Win10 email app for my regular normal ISP email. Basically if I use the bundled email its on a sign in by app only basis and I just use it as a “throwaway” email for any sites that look like they are going to req. a login or potential “spam hotbeds” There’s very few I share my Email with having been hit by hordes of spam many years ago. Woody is actually in the select group (so look after it LOL Pls ๐Ÿ™‚ )
      On the subject of your “school project” Edge win10 fights “tooth and nail” against you setting any other browser than Edge in the easily accessible settings. Its easy through the control panel but for the average user to go “digging” in the control panel its a real pain.

    • #13417 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      HA!

      Truth be told, I, too, use Edge from time to time….

    • #13418 Reply

      Bill C.

      Than is why in the Adobe post I said I will only use Adobe Reader XI and never Adobe Reader DC. From day one in DC you could see this coming. Even with XI it is a good idea to tweak the setting for potential privacy issues. No Adobe (or MS, or Corel, etc.) cloud for me, thank you.

    • #13419 Reply

      Bill C.

      Abandoning Windows is rapidly looking like an option to consider, but is not just a switch option. I have conducted a detailed inventory of my current software and needs on my Win7-64Pro SP1 PCs. I have also looked at the implications of changing OS based upon these needs. In a nutshell, getting totally off the Windows bus will involve pain in one area or another. Maintaining a well-oiled working Windows 7 machine for certain tasks greatly lessens the pain.

      I have found 3 main areas that abandoning Windows would be problematic. The major ones are gaming, the software for my GPS devices and mapping products, and my Canon EOS camera software and image editing software.

      Gaming may be possible with Apple or Linux, but selection of my favorites is hit or miss and may not work as well if they are available. Even if the titles are available, there is a performance hit for 3D graphics under Linux and MacOS would require new purchases. Additionally, Apple desktops are expensive and offer relatively mundane hardware for their cost. For the certain GPS devices, non-Windows support software is either not available or difficult to successfully configure. For the Canon EOS the Canon support software for certain technical aspects and image editing is available for Apple MacOS versions. Installation would require starting with the original DVD and applying updates. Whether the old DVD would be compatible with the newer MacOS version is not known. Linux is not supported. For image editing there are Linux alternatives, but they are not the best user interface and lack some features. Their support of the Canon RAW formats is unknown.

      Driver support for my current PC hardware is available in Linux. Peripheral printer/scanner hardware support is also available in both Linux and MacOS from the manufacturer.

      My MS-based data files are largely compatible with Linux thanks to LibreOffice. MacOS would require a software investment.

      My course at present is to stick with my Win7 until Win10 is acceptable or end of Win7 support whichever comes first, AND have a Linux machine. Linux gaming is improving as is support for the 6th and 7th generation Intel CPUs and chipsets, but that at present is a build your own option, plus in general bleeding edge hardware and Linux are not friendly unless you really tinker. Linux installations on older second PCs for routine work is a very viable option for many if they do a careful inventory of their needs, and many may find after use that they can migrate. Some are real easy, but some require significant knowledge and troubleshooting. There are websites that can advise on easy of use and installation as well as Linux Format magazine from the UK. Plus a reinstall is far, far faster than Windows unless you have lots of customization on your distro of choice.

      However for the here and now privacy, to browse privately there is the Tor browser โ€“ slow, and you need to read about why and why not to enable add-ons, etc. It is based upon Firefox. Then there is Tails, a secure privacy Linux distro that boots from a thumb drive that supports encryption and also uses the Tor network. Both have their place, but are not what I would call convenient for full time daily use.

    • #13420 Reply

      Noel Carboni

      I haven’t run Edge in 2016 or 2017. Along with Cortana and all the other ridiculous Apps, it’s completely expunged from my Win 10 system.

      By the way, people may feel Edge is special in all this, but let me tell you about SmartScreen… How do you think Microsoft vets the websites you visit for “security” purposes? Every site is sent in to their “cloud” servers. What, you don’t think they kept the list of sites you visited?

      Wait, you don’t REALLY have SmartScreen still enabled do you?

      And before you say “Bah! If you’re not running SmartScreen you’re less secure!”, let me remind you there are other ways to blacklist bad sites – much better ways – and nothing has to be sent to anyone in order to do it.

      My site blacklist presently has 56,000+ bad sites, plus 21,000+ in my domains blacklist, and the lists are updated continuously by sources who don’t have a vested interest in infecting you or taking your data or promoting their own store… Not terribly amazingly, no malware has ever gotten even near my systems.

      The more Windows acts like malware, the more anti-malware techniques work with it.

      -Noel

    • #13421 Reply

      ch100

      This has turned now into a reasonable discussion unlike other threads where few posters who post like trolls although they are not, just say I don’t like it, I am entitled, I want this, I want that, if not I will sue, I will switch to Linux/MAC/Chrome – just waste of bandwidth and anybody else’s time.
      Thanks @alexeiffel and @Bill C.

    • #13422 Reply

      ch100

      @alexeiffel
      “Competition is great, free market can be great, but without competition it doesnโ€™t work.”

      I think we are getting into Socialism vs Capitalism type of issues and this is not the right forum, as any of us can easily offend some of the people here who would otherwise be our (virtual) friends.
      It just happens that I currently work for a regulator, but I feel more like selling IT services to whoever pays, rather than being involved into the core activity of the employer.

    • #13423 Reply

      ch100

      I think it is too much speculation about what is filled. The algorithm is based on the most likely outcome (in the developer’s view) and this is what is pre-filled.
      If you find a different reason and can sniff dubious network traffic, please let us all know as it would be very useful.

    • #13424 Reply

      ch100

      LOL ๐Ÿ™‚

    • #13425 Reply

      ch100

      They do!
      Someone named Mike has actually replied here not so long ago and I am very pleased and probably Woody, abbodi86 and Komm are even more pleased than me.
      https://www.askwoody.com/2016/windows-7-sp2-convenience-update-rollup-under-examination/#comment-87593
      https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/astoica/2017/01/03/windows-7-refreshed-media-creation/#comment-235

    • #13426 Reply

      ch100

      I think for those of us who prefer not to use the Cloud (not yet maybe?), the technology has reached a point where there is not much more to be improved.
      This may explain why the major technology industry players are trying to divert attention to a different and new concept, the Cloud in this case, because based on the current, traditional by now concepts, they cannot stay in business much longer.
      And as such they are all betting on the Cloud to rescue them. This may or may not be a winning choice.

    • #13427 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      +1

    • #13428 Reply

      PKCano

      I should have said Noel Carboni

    • #13429 Reply

      Bill C.

      Just a quick question. Is the hovering of info from Windows 10 OS, from Edge (or IE Browsers), or from using Bing?

      For instance, if one used IE with its search engine defaulted to duckduckgo.com which says it does not track, would it help or make no difference?

      If one uses Firefox does it help, or will Windows itself collect the data? Will Firefox with duckduckgo be more effective?

      I have been using duckduckgo.com for IE and Firefox, with both browsers set to wipe caches at shutdown. I have used the wipe cache options since the early days of IE and Netscape. Actually I started duckduckgo to avoid the ads Google mixes with results.

      I suspect this hovering of data is not just one part of the Windows OS and ‘features and apps. Do any of these these strategies work at all, a bit, or do you have to take the Noel Carboni route with certain firewall tweaks and block connections to MS servers.

    • #13430 Reply

      Jim4

      Have you tried the Brave browser?

      http://www.brave.com

      It’s fast. It has a minor rough edge or two, but for the most part, it is my favorite browser.

    • #13431 Reply

      abbodi86

      I can say the same bout FlashPeak Slimjet ๐Ÿ™‚

    • #13432 Reply

      messager7777777

      @ ch100 ……. I do not think Komm was very pleased to hv his comment about buggy Windows updates removed by M$ at the M$-blog.
      ……. Seems, M$ were trying to hide negative feedback.

    • #13433 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      He should post the comments over here! Very knowledgeable observer.

    • #13434 Reply

      hardmode

      hi, uhm lve seen you are talking about win 10 here right? lm just courious about something, any of you guys have tried to use any anti-tracking extension for your browsers in win7? lm actually using Ghostery but l dont know if also prevents microsoft malware from getting any persdonal information from my browser(firefox) lts very useful as in some cases have detetcted like 15 trackers between them Google analitycs,fb and twtr extensions etc.

    • #13435 Reply

      b

      > Details coming tomorrow.

      Which tomorrow?

      > Much will be revealed in the morning

      Which morning?

    • #13436 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      Er, um, the morning after the editors get done. Which, in this case, is Monday.

    • #13437 Reply

      AlexEiffel

      Ok, ch100, maybe you are right it could offend some people who would otherwise be virtual friends.

      I’m sorry if my rhetoric wasn’t clear. When I say “free market can be great”, you could understand it more like “free market can have some positive effects” as a factual premise to an argument. It wasn’t a statement about whether the world should be socialist of capitalist. However, I think maybe a lot of socialists or capitalists would think competition is needed for free markets to be a viable option, regardless of their preference for a system or another. It is rooted in economics theory. I meant to bring the part of economic theory where competition is an essential part of the system. Then, what you do with it when you don’t have competition is up to your preference. I pointed that in this case, in the current U.S. system, one could argue Microsoft is in an effective monopolistic position that can produce some of the bad effects associated with it according to economic theory. Yes, I brought a possible solution that takes form of a regulation. Maybe it gets political, I’m not sure where that stops and ends, where facts becomes values, where what seems to work is difficult to prove or disprove and ends up in never ending debates, where even if something works it can have negative effects that makes it a non acceptable solution to many. I wanted to give an example of an alternative, maybe I should just have stopped at the factual description that there might be something not working with a product that has become somewhat of an essential service if controlled by an arguably effective monopoly.

      I think that virtual friends can have discussions, respectfully disagree and stay friends. I also believe discussion can help us grow, but I agree with you here is not the place for political discussions and I didn’t realize it could be seen as one.

      Now you understand that not bringing up those ideas imply I simply implicitly have to accept a default political position, which is Microsoft can do whatever they want, they make a product, you use it if you like. If you don’t, don’t complain and just not use it. I merely wanted to point out things might not be that simple when the product becomes an effective essential service. I’m sorry if it seemed too political and since I’m from Canada where there is I would argue a very diverse flow of ideas on this type of problem, it might have seemed too political.

    • #13438 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      OK. Let’s steer back away from the brink of politics…

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